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Hi all,

Has anyone else experienced 0% improvement on the symptoms below after 1year of chelation with ALA50-150mg+DMSA25-50mg taking every 3hour?

Skin
Eyes
Libido
Social withdrawl
Reciprocating facial expressions
Mental clarity/Sharpness
communicating and socialising hasnt improved at all

My hair test :

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I still stay in everyday never go out.I can count on 1 hand the amount of times I have left the house this whole year.I have not contacted or made effort to talk to any of my friends since Xmas last
year. A couple still make alot of effort either visiting me every 2 weeks or calling up, the rest have giving up.Dont blame them I make no effort.

I have no need, I cant describe it.Iam not depressed just no need, empty yet I seem fine with it or just use to do it.

Iam age only 28.

Yet Iam physically fit and manage 2hr boxing sessions,core workout, cardio, circuit training 4x aweek in my home gym.

I sense something is off and chelation hasnt improved on this.


Iam wondering if anyone here has experienced 0 percent progress after a year
chelation but experienced progress later on with the above mentioned symptoms.
I havent read this anywhere on here and in the other mercury forum,I hope Iam not the only one.

If this ALA+DMSA is not working I dont want to waste anymore time with it and move on
with another type of chelation although I do not think there is anything else that removes mercury from the brain, unless someone can correct me on this.

Stevie

P.S I am looking for lab to buy hg urine/stool test to verify these supplements are removing hg from my body.

Greetings Stevie1020!

Might I suggest that you try the ALGIN, purchased here on Russ' forum? Intestinal System Support/ Recommendation: Take two caps three times daily between meals, with plenty of H2O (water).

*Absorbs Heavy Metal Ions
*Bulking Action Encourages Normal Elimination

Regarding the DMSA, it is recommended through IAS to take 1 to 3 capsules daily. (100mg). (International Anti-Aging Systems)
<www.antiaging-systems.com> It is now on sale for $24.00/ Buy one get one free. You can check it out. It is DetoxPro. (Reduce your heavy metal burdens.

So you would be taking more of the DMSA and adding the ALGIN. Are you experiencing any candida symptoms? Take care. Keep us informed. We care.

Hi Abigail,

Thanks for your helpful response.

Is there any scientific studies proving that Algin removes
mercury from the brain in humans?

I have to be absolute certain when it comes to putting something
unknown into my mouth when it comes to removing mercury.

Dr Andy Cutler states DMSA has to be taking every 3-4hours
otherwise redistribution will occur which the mercury will cause more toxic damage inside the organs.

What is your opinion on this as you stated to take DMSA only
3x aday?

I only experience candida on DMSA so have stopped it last 2month.
Sometimes now and again but not often and nothing compared to
when Iam on DMSA, cheers.

Stevie

Good Day to you Stevie,
I do not follow Andy Cutler's protocol. It's way too expensive and I have a lot of confidence in Russ' recommendations. He has his 'personal treatment' on here, that you may find helpful. We must remember, we are all made differently. What works for you, anyone else, may NOT work for the next person. I do know that Nature's Sunshine have high quality products and IAS is truly topnotch Scientific studied products. I have used them for over 12 years.

Regarding the DMSA, it is recommend by Vitamin Research Products, whom I have done business with for many years. Russ uses VRP DMSA. 'Most observant of you that you've noticed NOT EVERYONE agrees with the dosage. All we can do is TRY IT and see.
The DMSA 100mg., twice daily keeps all rashes, and fogginess (brain) away for me.

Now, ....let me also add that I use Nature's Sunshine 'Yeast/Fungal Detox' at least once (or twice?) daily. It is the combination of the three things mentioned that have helped me even with the eczema. YFD is sold here on Russ' site. I would suggest you check into it.

Yes, Stevie, we ALL need to watch what we put in our mouths. There are many Vitamin/Supplement Companies around. So we use discernment. Don't buy just because something is 'cheap', buy it because of it's proven use. (As you said.)

Now, I'll leave you with that and hope you are doing better real soon. I also am alone much of the time. Our health is most benefitted by our diet as well. I am NOT on the best of diets. But 'one does what one can'.
Regarding Russ' products, you may want to ask him personally. You can scroll back on this forum and read his protocol. Have a good day/life. Blessings to you!

Hi Abigail,

Thanks again for the informative reply.

Can you provide some links on people who have progressed or been cured
from the protocol you have recommended? I cant seem to find any progress report links for this protocol.

I have also had a look at Algin and there does not appear to be any studies done proving that it removes mercury from the human brain. Do
you have any links on this?


Cheers again,

Stevie

Hi There,
Sorry I've taken so long. My computer went on the blink! Anyway, Steve, because we all are so uniquely made, as I said what works for one may not work for another. Russ might join in, I think he's busy now.
Anyway, other than what you read on this forum, and all the posts made above this amalgram forum, the best I can tell you, I just spent a good while on youtube. I keyed in "Mercury in the brain". There were several medical reports that may help you.

Sometimes, Steve, we just have to 'step out and try' what helps others. It may help you. Yes, the ALGIN is one of Herb Allure's best sellers. It does help eliminate heavy Metal Ions. (It is on the label) So it must get some of it our of your brain. You know, I tried the ALA (you take), and felt terrible. So, see it didn't affect us in the same way.

Do you by any chance have the chemtrails spraying in your area? That is a really bad health problem for many, especially Russ, Laura, and several on this forum. We don't have that spraying in the Shenandoah Valley area.

Now, I'll leave you with this. The 5-HTP (5-Hydroxytryptophan) has been studied and helps many with mood, feelings of calmness , sleep, carbohydrate craving, etc. Since you said you feel well enough to do those exercises, etc, but your main problem is 'withdrawal from people', you may need something for your 'MOOD'. No offense.
I hope you find some help. Perhaps check out 'youtube' for what others find helpful for mercury/brain problems? Have a nice day, Steve. The Lord bless you. Abigail ~

Greetings Stevie! I'm coming on late as I was watching a few videos on youtube. This one really gives much information regarding Mercury and the brain (all parts of body also).
You may want to check it out. She has a heavy accent, to me. Maybe you have the same. LOL! Anyway, check it out: <http://youtu.be/z3bFBMzyKE8> It's rather frightening what amalgrams can cause in the body. Uh-Oh!

Greetings Stevie! I'm coming on late as I was watching a few videos on youtube. This one really gives much information regarding Mercury and the brain (all parts of body also).
You may want to check it out. She has a heavy accent, to me. Maybe you have the same. LOL! Anyway, check it out: <http://youtu.be/z3bFBMzyKE8> It's rather frightening what amalgrams can cause in the body. Uh-Oh! [/quote]

Hi Abigail,

No worries, Thanks again for the informative reply.

Shame there is no progress link for this protocol.Interesting you
mention 5htp was taking that for many years in early 20s.I now
take the precurcor amino acid l-tryptophan which the body converts to
serotonin if enough b6/p5p is present. I like to take melatonin before bed to get better sleep, which is converted from serotonin.

Not good for daytime unless you like to be zombified
Dopamine boosting supplements is better during the day.

Thanks for the youtube link will have a watch. She sure does have an accent
doesnt she Iam from Scotland not far from England but an accent none the less.

Cheers,

Stevie

Hi stevie,

I would personally not advise taking the DMSA any other way, other than Cutler's protocol. Please be careful. I took it the other way and it screwed me up big time, more than once. I could only help myself by taking it again Cutler style and was able to, over time, reduce my horrible reaction of redistribution. It is too easy, unfortunately, to make matters worse when dealing with heavy metals. Depending upon how poisoned you are and how sensitive you are.

Cutler knows what he is talking about in the respect of mercury redistribution, which is very dangerous and some people react worse than others. He has studied this extensively. I would seriously consider taking his advice if you are going to use DMSA, ALA, oral DMPS.

If the DMSA and ALA are not working, then it may not be mercury toxicity that is your problem. Have you had your amalgams replaced and were they done properly? What did you have put in instead of them?

Do you notice any symptoms during or after chelation? anything that might indicate 'something' is happening? Whether it's an increase in symptoms or an improvement.

There isn't alot of point taking DMSA another way, because it is either moving mercury (if it's there) or it isn't. But if you do have mercury there, taking it with big spaces inbetween is asking for trouble when the blood levels of DMSA drop and then spike back up again. The movement of mercury becomes more random/sporadic. This is where damage can occur. Please believe me, I have LIVED years of this nightmare of mercury, and have some idea of what I'm talking about.

I recognise there are some people who seem to be able to get away with taking it differently, but what is the point in taking that risk? when Cutler has organised a protocol that reduces the potential of mercury redistribution and consequent damage?

DMSA is not essential anyway. It is merely there to help reduce blood levels in the beginning stages and help with symptoms (if taken every 4 hours around the clock) after amalgam removal. Some do not use DMSA due to cost, or they don't like how it feels. You can skip it in that case, but a person needs to wait for at least 3 months following amalgam removal for the blood levels of mercury to reduce enough to use any brain chelating agent. Then ALA (brain/organ chelator) can be used alone (though some find it can create too many symptoms when not used alongside DMSA). DMSA is very expensive, so that alone can be a reason why people choose to wait and then later use ALA on its own.

Consider also your diet. This can help alot. May not cure the underlying problem, but it's surprising how it can help. I went on a candida and gluten free diet and began to consume healthier foods and it made a huge difference (even with amalgams still in my teeth).

Just some advice. I realise some people may respond differently, but I can tell you the worst things I ever did were DMPS IV (absolutely horrific, both times I did it), DMSA random style, chlorella, cilantro, taking ALA without using the cutler protocol, using any metal mobilising product without a proper safe protocol in place. And not paying attention to my diet by consuming the wrong foods like sugar, gluten/wheat, yeast, etc.

Exercise can also help and saunas. Cutler also recommends saunas for helping to eliminate toxic metals. Consider that also as a way of helping to detox heavy metals. Hot baths with epsom sals (or baking soda and sea salt) is another way to induce sweating.

It is hard to say whether the DMSA and ALA is going to help you or not. I do not know when you had your amalgams out? one year seems quite a long time to notice nothing, so I suspect something else maybe going on here, or somehow there is an ongoing source of toxin still there....

Hi Bex,

Thankyou for the informative and helpful post.

I would not attempt taking DMSA randomly due to the points
you mention but appreciate you pointing them out.
I did take it for 9months Cutler style or so and
stopped due to candida and cost.

I never had any amalgams or fillings not one. I started to
become ill in a holiday to New York at 21 was first time
visiting the States, Im from Scotland. I ate about 20 raw
oysters maybe they were contaminated with mercury but
Im not sure. I went on a Tuna diet 6 tins a day for
2months at 24ish I think this maybe the culprit.


Agreed on the cleaner diet it helps me feel better but I generally
have a clean diet since I have been into health and fitness
since 13 and competed in amateur boxing at 16.
Plus my parents bought us up on fresh vegetables, fish, chicken,
pork, soups etc No junk food or fizzy drinks.

Saunas is not something I have done but I would have to
leave the house for that. I have left the house 5x max this year.
Yeah I use to order 20kg of epsom salts every couple month from
a friend, he sold in bulk on eBay. I always felt soaking
in the hot epsom salt bath it was releasing mercury as felt
horrible after them, not sure how it would be now though.

I have a home gym and work on that 3-4x a week, 2hour sessions
which consist of shawdowboxing, corework, circuit training, skipping,
heavy bag 6-10 3-4min rnds etc For a while I was training 5-6x a week very intensely
even during chelation days but I always felt my body was heavier
during these chelation days and recovery was slower so felt best it
be better just to rest on these days or do some very light
exercises.

Thats what Iam thinking its taking a while but just couple day ago I read
on the frequent chelation group a guy named Kai chelated for
2yrs with no progress like myself. He then dropped his dose down to
1mg ALA and started improving.I may give this ago but the differences
between him and I are.


Kai : ALA at 6-12mg
Stevie : 50-150mg ALA of the bat

A few folk on the FCG recommened to chelate with ALA for few more months,
nothing to loose and progress should come.Not much else can do so yeah
will be little bit more patient and see.

Cheers,

Stevie

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What a relief to read that you DO NOT have any amalgams/ nor ever had any teeth fillings! What a blessing, indeed! So it boils down possibly to the oysters/tuna? Did you read Russ' article just before this one regarding Tuna? I do not eat Tuna often, now, but I did several years ago. Never remember feeling bad at all. Anyway, everything in this old world is changing! A friend of mine is a vegetarian and also seems to feel quite well. It seems to me like only half of the meal is being served. LOL! Now, NO TUNA, NO PORK, NO CHICKEN? (hold it? I love KFC!) And Tyson's Frozen Chicken is not processed, in the Freezer section at the store.

Well, I honestly think your problem stems from the Serotonin/ L-Tryptophan group. Since it seems to boil down to 'MOOD SYMPTOMS'. Just last week a friend told me her Chiroprator recommeded she stop taking an RX, for depression. (Sorry, forgot the name.) He said since he started on the 5-HTP (5-Tryptophan), he's never felt better in his life. He takes it every day. She's thinking of giving it a try.

You also mentioned taking the melatonin 3mg(?), nightly? Did you know it also comes in 1 mg. Perhaps you're taking too much. And your body is reacting to the 'hang-over' from that. I also take that in 3mg. Does me well. Nice e-chatting with you once again. So glad to learn you DO NOT have the amalgams to deal with. WHEW!

Did you get a chance to listen to the video of the lady discussing mercuy symptoms/harmful effects. When she got to the part about MOOD, about half way through I thought of you.
OK, Stevie, You really should count your blessings that you don't have so many of the amalgam problems. Take care.

BTW: I cannot take the Alpha Lipoic Acid/ 1 caps = (250mg). Good Grief! Talk about ZOMBIE! Please be sure to read Russ' post prior to this one regarding the TUNA.
You ate "Six tins of Tuna a day for 2 months????" WHOA!!!!

1 year is not enough time to recover. How many rounds have you complete? It typically takes 50+ rounds with ALA before an improvement is seen.

I've been on the Cutler protocol for over a year and have not seen much improvement, but I have spoke to Áine Ní Cheallaigh about this - and she stated that after the same amount of rounds, she was still very ill. She is recovered now however.

I have 44 rounds complete, but only 32 of those rounds were included ALA (first 12 were DMSA alone).

I'm aiming to hit 50-60 rounds with ALA before I try to judge this protocol. I have seen people recover with it, and it's been the most convincing protocol that I have seen.

I hope to reach the 50 round mark before the start of next summer, so I'll be sure to write up a report then. I would say to stay positive and stick at the chelation. If you're not nearing 50 or 60 rounds yet, I wouldn't worry about lack of improvement.

You may also need to focus on correcting any stomach issues - candida/parasites in the mean-time.