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Challenging Evolution Theory Should be A Part Of Freedom Of Speech!
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05/09/13 05:43 PM
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Even in our Schools we should be able to do that freely & without consequences for it because.... We do not forfeit our Constitutional Freedoms that we do have at the school gate... That should never be even in the classroom! perfect stranger part3 Salt http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbS3sAEB7pM&feature=related
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Re: Challenging Evolution Theory Should be A Part Of Freedom Of Speech!
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05/09/13 06:14 PM
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There are lots of people who are skeptical of claims for the ability random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life Yet not to believe it seems to be seen as non scientific to those who do. The suggestion that it could have happened another way seems to be a challenge to their belief system and considered non scientific. And that is especially so if it happens to include a Creator who happens to be the God of Genesis and of the Bible itself. Why is that have to be thought of as non scientific and without logic and reason. Especially if God used what they consider to be of Science to Create and Form the Universe and everything else we see. It seems public schools want to teach our children what to think and not to think and define for them also what is scientific and what is not scientific instead of letting them think for themselves. All possibilites should be presented and all claims need to be challenged to be truly educated instead of indoctrinated..
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Re: Challenging Evolution Theory Should be A Part Of Freedom Of Speech!
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If one truly gets down to the matter of the subject. We find there are lots of things they don't really know for sure. Plus, they were not there either to see it all come about. There is alot of speculation going on based on ones particular point of view as well. But to believe nothing became everything for no reason for no cause many find harder to believe then there was a cause, a Creator, a Designer involved. It seems they have created a boundry between Science and Religion even if one does not truly exist. It exists because they say it does that it cannot be that way and why not? It's a matter of faith on both parts it seems. The freedom to examine the evidence and challenge the facts is what truly keeps a society free to think for itself. Not to try to drive out of the equasion those who are skeptical and with a different point of view on the subject. And the so called facts that are disagreed upon further examination. It's called education and that could include other points of views and disagreements on the subject at hand to not be seen as indoctrination by others who do see it as so.
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Re: Challenging Evolution Theory Should be A Part Of Freedom Of Speech!
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Bacteria Becoming Bacteria Becoming.. Questioning Evolution Who's Blind Faith! God Vs Evolution a New DVD coming out soon! Ray Comfort shaking the foundations holding their feet to the fire coming out in August 2013. Pre- order download now or pre- order DVD. http://evolutionvsgod.com/ http://wayofthemaster.com/Are you a good person and who is? Only God is perfect.
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Re: Challenging Evolution Theory Should be A Part Of Freedom Of Speech!
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Censored Science It Should Not Be! It's a part of our Freedom to be able to think for one self! A half of a feather won't fly a half of a creature doesn't change into something else. Look at the evidence think for yourself. Proof of Creation | Bruce Malone | It's Supernatural with Sid Roth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fhNP3FSnKI
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Re: Challenging Evolution Theory Should be A Part Of Freedom Of Speech!
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Re: Challenging Evolution Theory Should be A Part Of Freedom Of Speech!
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02/22/14 12:30 AM
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You cannot have a society thats free without the freedom of speech & the freedom of the press, you just cannot. When you take the expression of speech wether written or spoken the ability for someone to articulate their point of view away then you are stealing the basic foundational freedoms of a nation away. The freedoms we have enjoyed in this country that some other countries do not have is based on the freedom to speak up and out. Without that right the oppression of the people will surely follow. The Founding Fathers got that right called "The Bill of Rights."But even though being based on that principle has it always been followed justly, NO! Depending on the people in office the Government of that time and the people of that time not everyone has enjoyed all the justices endowed by it. "We the People" is just that "We The People" and covers just that, "We The People." Some people want to read "We The People" as pertaining to only certain people because women and others where excluded in many ways in the past. But that was not the fault of what was written it was the fault of how it was implemented at that time as the Document is Beautifully Written. This Document belongs to the people and can be read here. http://constitutionus.com/We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. For a free society this is a must to teach in our schools. That Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances... Amendment I The Founding Fathers are not outdated or old fashion as you cannot have a society thats free without the freedom of speech & the freedom of the press, you just cannot. The freedoms we have enjoyed in this country that some other countries do not have is based on the freedom to speak up and out. Without that right the oppression of the people will surely follow. The Founding Fathers got that right called "The Bill of Rights."What our Founding Fathers did for the people of this nation is not old-fashioned or outdated. They knew tyranny they fought it they were well educated in it foresaw it and we should Thank them for their foresight. Many of the freedoms we have enjoyed in this nation is based on that principle. The freedom of speech is the freedom to educate as well and challenging evolution theory should be a part of that freedom too. Wether in the school or out.
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Re: Challenging Evolution Theory Should be A Part Of Freedom Of Speech!
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03/03/14 06:22 PM
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People Should Be Able To State Their Point Of View. As Ken Ham questioned, "So why do those who oppose AiG's message get so upset when we are able to articulate our message publicly in the secular media? He believes because of intolerance. I believe he is right! Creation Museum's Ken Ham Says Atheists Went 'Ballistic' After Fox Interview http://www.christianpost.com/news/c...nt-ballistic-after-fox-interview-110977/
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Re: Challenging Evolution Theory Should be A Part Of Freedom Of Speech!
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04/12/14 02:39 AM
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You cannot have a society thats free without the freedom of speech & the freedom of the press, you just cannot. That is so true. What is not taught these days may be more important than what is. America's Founding Fathers discovered and understood many things which are not passed on through the system of "education". Deriving rights can be an enlightening exercise. They form a chain, or network of sorts. At one end is the right to keep and bear arms. It can be derived from any other right. At the opposite end is freedom of religion. From freedom of religion, any other right can easily be derived. Yet perhaps even that is "getting the cart before the horse". The first thing one must understand is the word 'right'. The only coherent definition of the word in the cosmos is found in the Declaration of Independence. Counterfeit conceptions of "rights" are easily spotted, when one cares. They boil down to nothing. You'll be told "government grants you rights" or some nonsense. Nothing could be more absurd. Government can never be a source of rights. Government is the servant of the people - not the master. It has no authority of its own. To say "government gives us rights" is just a deceptive way of saying "we give ourselves rights". Either that, or (more often) it's a deceptive way of saying "government is your master". The Founding Fathers knew better. "Rights are antecedent to all earthly government; Rights…cannot be repealed or restrained by human laws; Rights are derived from the great Legislator of the universe." - John AdamsRead the Declaration of Independence for yourself sometime, and see how utterly contradictory that idea is. The whole purpose of any legitimate government is to protect rights. How then could it come to exist, if the counterfeit were passable? The other counterfeits are worse. They say "rights are just an illusion/opinion". A nonsense misdefinition of 'right' is an abomination, and its source is just hoping you don't realize... your rights are being outright denied! There is no two ways about it; either you have God-given, unalienable rights, or you don't. The doctrine of creation is essential to liberty; without it there can be none. Now remember that freedom of religion right? Even it is derived. “That religion, or the duty which we owe to our Creator, and the manner of discharging it, can be directed only by reason and conviction, not by force or violence; and therefore all men are equally entitled to the free exercise of religion, according to the dictates of conscience; and that it is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian forbearance, love, and charity towards each other.” -Patrick HenryIt is from our duty that we obtain that right, and he who denies our rights is an enemy of God and America. He's not even trying to keep his enmity a secret, now is he? The problem is that we don't want to face evil for what it is, and so we try to write it off "he's just kind of stupid". It isn't stupidity, but malice when some elitist denies the self-evident, God-given, unalienable rights of all mankind.
Dark Matter + Dark Energy = Dark Truth"We find that such evidence demonstrates that the ID argument is dependent upon setting a scientifically unreasonable burden of proof for the theory of evolution." - Judge Jones Kitzmiller case http://www.talkreason.org/articles/Falsify.cfm"To Compel A Man To Furnish Funds For The Propagation Of Ideas He Disbelieves And Abhors Is Sinful And Tyrannical." - Thomas Jefferson "And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath?" - Thomas Jefferson
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Re: Challenging Evolution Theory Should be A Part Of Freedom Of Speech!
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04/21/14 11:35 PM
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Hi CTD, That is so true! Our education system has changed so much in direction over the decades. It leans more and more toward evolutionary thinking and less in the direction of Our Founding Fathers more Godly Biblical concepts of seeing things. Those were the principles that lead toward the concepts of the unalienable Rights of life & liberties that our value is based on a Creator not on the dictates or the whim of a governmental system. The Bill Of Rights & The Constitution is so unique that we cannot have a free society without them. We cannot just evolve into something better and freedoms seceded by we the people are rights that are rarely given back by governments. The most important educational principle ever is not being taught as important as evolution is in our schools it seems these days. If our children are being taught that we really have no great significant value that we are just an odd occurance of nature whatever that means that we just got lucky and we are just animals. Our children will act accordingly and how could any unalienable rights come from that concept? Plus reading about common core and what alot of parents etc.. think about it and things don't seem to be getting any better. We use to be number one in education awhile back and things have not got better. It seems to be worse going downhill. Education is the key to these freedoms we have had you are so correct! What is not taught these days may be more important then what is. Well Said CTD, Thanks!
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Re: Challenging Evolution Theory Should be A Part Of Freedom Of Speech!
[Re: Lynnmn]
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06/02/14 07:20 PM
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The Freedom To Choose For Ourselves! The Freedom To Hear Both Sides Now That Is True Freedom. The Freedom to Decide for Oneself. Now whats wrong with that? Microbiologist Loses Faith In Evolution http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46OzGYqpfkk
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