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A simple and easy way to neutralize fluorides
#16595
03/11/07 07:13 PM
03/11/07 07:13 PM
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Toxicity of fluoride ion comes from its affinity to calcium. When it enters the blood stream, it binds ionized calcium, making it unavailable to support the vital functions of the organism. Just ONE GRAM can cause a severe paralysis and brain damage. (this is for an adult of average size). However, its affinity to calcium can also be used to precipitate fluoride ions in water by adding soluble calcium salt to it. Calcium and fluoride ions would then bind together, producing calcium fluoride, which is practically insoluble. Very low solubility of calcium fluoride means a very limited "bioavailability". Poison is thus effectively neutralized. The easiest way to make a food-grade soluble calcium salt is by putting eggshells into a container and pouring vinegar in it. After a day or two, depending on temperature, all vinegar would be consumed (provided there was enough eggshells) and you would get a solution of soluble calcium salt. This is a traditional calcium supplement, which was recommended for pregnant and lactating women to help them preserve their teeth as a result of an increased demand for calcium. However, if you decide to use it as a calcium supplement, then you should keep in mind that calcium should always be taken with magnesium, with an optimal ratio being about 1:1. Most commercial calcium supplements are sold in combination with magnesium. However, even though you can neutralize fluorides this way, it is of little help against other contaminants. The stuff that is used for water fluoridation is not pharmaceutical grade, often it is unprocessed sediment, which is collected from the wet flue scrubbers in metal smelters and pesticide plants and includes many very dangerous contaminants - arsenic, mercury, cadmium, lead, to name just a few. Solubility of calcium fluoride in water at 20°C is 17 parts per million (ppm) or 17 milligrams per liter of water. This solubility figure refers to a concentrated solution, since this is the only "stable" solubility number. Numbers below the concentrated solution figure can be anything and are certainly not suitable as a reference point to evaluate solubility. If the total available pool of fluoride ions can "only" produce water with a concentration of 1ppm, then, after adding enough soluble calcium salt to overwhelm all the available fluoride ions, there would be no more "unattached" fluoride ions in that water, since calcium ions would bind a corresponding number of fluoride ions, and if the number of calcium ions is higher, they would bind all those fluoride ions and there would be no residual solubility from calcium fluoride. This is described at http://www.deadwater.info/neutral.htmregards: oleg
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Re: A simple and easy way to neutralize fluorides
#16597
03/15/07 10:17 PM
03/15/07 10:17 PM
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Russ, can you tell me who to contact about fluoride in tap water, im from the u.k thanks.
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Example from Canada: addition of fluorides to bottled water
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03/17/07 12:06 AM
03/17/07 12:06 AM
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Hi, Russ and others: Regarding the addition of fluorides to bottled water, here is a case in point from Canada: There was a bottled water company called Aberfoyle, their water was from unpolluted aquifer in the North. (I talked to a company owner, he was supplying water to one marathon as a promotion) Then that company was bought over by a big international corporation. They changed the name and the label, there was no more mention of the aquifer, only the location of the bottling plant - right within the industrialized zone. And now there is fluoride! The new label says: "Ozonized. Natural spring water. Sodium free. Mineral salt content 480 ppm / Fluoride ion 0.3 ppm" This is described on my site www.deadwater.info/survive.htmI doubt that a multi-billion dollar company cannot retain qualified scientists to advise them about fluorides and the potential liability. The answer to that riddle is probably not "honest science" but smth else. best regards Oleg
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Re: A simple and easy way to neutralize fluorides
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08/03/07 02:38 AM
08/03/07 02:38 AM
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Here in San Marcos we were told that in 60 days we will be forced to accept fluoridated water. Ive fought this process for over 30 years and I've simply failed. Data and facts mean nothing to fluoridators. And having a Ph.D. in chemistry is just another guy to ignore. Any ideas on how to help get rid of this? I wrote to Washington and to CA Dept of Health. The papers here told everyone that 1) fluorides are 'natural compounds also used in toothpase' 2) there are no known health effects of water fluoridation that are adverse and 3) cavities are the number one illness in America. This hogwash I asked to be retracted and corrected but I'm still waiting. Their argument for is that fluosilicic is a natural compound because it has been found in rocks and in water in nature. I'm unaware of any water supply that has not been tampered with that actually contains this compound. Are you? And of course all at our local water district have never heard of the Hooper Bay Alaska poisoning incident. Richard Sauerheber
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Re: A simple and easy way to neutralize fluorides
#16602
08/06/07 08:36 AM
08/06/07 08:36 AM
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They are right: fluoride ion is a natural compound, just like every bacterial and viral disease is perfectly "natural" - plague, leprosy, syphilis, all types of hepatitis etc etc. It is true, there are certain regions on Earth where calcium fluoride rocks predominate, there is not enough soluble calcium from other sources and that is why there are "naturally occurring fluorides" in ground waters in those regions. Calcium fluoride can produce a concentration of fluorides of 17 ppm, which is dangerously high level. This refers to a concentrated solution, when reserves of undissolved calcium fluoride are available in the same pool of water and there is no other source of calcium ions to bind fluorides. Punjab, as well as some other areas of India are good examples. There is lots of bone disease among the population. IMHO it is pointless to talk to those who get paid to push that poison on people, the only realistic way I see is education at the grass-roots level. There are quite a few quotes from medical sources on the site http://www.deadWater.infomaybe the people in your area can band together and print flyers using those quotes or make an Internet site. In the meantime, adding a soluble calcium salt to drinking water is a reliable way to neutralize fluoride, but, of course, it does not "neutralize" arsenic, mercury, cadmium, lead, which is in the wet scrubbers residue, which is used for fluoridation. HTH: Oleg
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Re: Profit from Illness
[Re: Russ]
#56123
03/09/10 12:08 PM
03/09/10 12:08 PM
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In the UK you need to contact your local waterboard. Anglian water, the company who deals with the water supply in my area have acknowledged that whilst they do not add fluoride to the water in the vast majority of the boroughs they cover, they are obligated to add fluoride when told to by the relevant health authority, and this decision is dependent on the levels of decay etc. reported in the area.
The water act was changed here in 2003 paving the way for the health authorities to add the anticholinergic neurotoxin hydrafluosilicate to the water supplies whether we like it or not.
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Re: Profit from Illness
[Re: Herbie]
#56124
03/09/10 12:12 PM
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For those in the UK concerned about this and whether it would have a bearing on buying property, eating out etc. the following is a list of areas where Anglian water have added hydrafluosilicate to the water supply. Lincoln Westgate Lincoln Branston Saxilby Lincoln South Waddington Welton Retford Barrowby Harpswell Everton Gainsborough Kirton in Lindsey Grantham Central Potton - right of Bedford Biggleswade Clayhill Scunthorpe Caistor Winterton Scunthorpe North Barrow Brigg Shefford Bedford Bedford rural Caenby Sleaford
Last edited by Herbie; 03/09/10 12:13 PM.
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Re: Profit from Illness
[Re: Herbie]
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03/10/10 01:39 PM
03/10/10 01:39 PM
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Please note the following: "Even if you swallow it, there would be no harm, at least not nearly as much as when you ingest fluoride ions, or soluble fluoride salts. Calcium fluoride is used to make laser windows, spectroscopic windows, prisms and lenses in UV and IR range. In other words, it is almost like glass in some of its physical properties." This is taken from: http://khemet.co.uk/fluoride3.htmlI would use this method to defluoridate a container full of water and dispose of the residue, but I would be unlikely to eat a substance that is "almost like glass".
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Re: Profit from Illness
[Re: Herbie]
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03/11/10 02:14 AM
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Thought this through last night and if - "since calcium ions would bind a corresponding number of fluoride ions" - this is the case then surely any remaining calcium ions digested would bind themselves to fluoride ions already deposited in the tissue and render those as calcium fluoride, a glasslike substance.
Food for thought.
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Re: Profit from Illness
[Re: Herbie]
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03/24/10 06:10 AM
03/24/10 06:10 AM
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From scouring the net I'm finding sites that mention Iodine as a fluoride and heavy metal chelating agent although it is considered dangerous in the hands of the unexperienced practitioner because the body has to pass it through the kidneys.
If this is the case then I would recomend finding a top quality salt which should contain Iodine and supplementing the diet with iodine rich foods. At the very least this should create a natural chelation for fluoride etc.
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Re: Profit from Illness
[Re: Russ]
#58123
07/08/10 11:19 AM
07/08/10 11:19 AM
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Hi Russ sorry for the delay, been trying to get my head around the whole agenda.
I'm going for sea salt, a local one, as I've found that imported foods are irradiated to prevent cross border contamination. I did contact a company here in the UK and asked whether they add fluoride to their salt and they said no so I'm going with them. Interestingly since that event a 'mediterranean' sea salt has sprung onto the store shelves.
I have my head around some of the bigger picture with what is being done to the human race and I'll post it.
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Re: A simple and easy way to neutralize fluorides
[Re: Oleg]
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06/14/15 06:56 PM
06/14/15 06:56 PM
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Oleg, thanks for the info. I ground-up a calcium vitamin supplement capsule which has about 300 mg of calcium. A 55 gallon tub-full of fluoridated water has about 300 mg of sodium fluoride . Would the chemical reaction you have described, to neutralize the sodium fluoride, work in this case, if I add the ground-up capsule to the tub of fluoridated water?
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