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Hey all!..Well I had my first ionic foot bath yesterday!!..the water did change colours.all the way to black, and it had chards of black things floating, and it looked swampy...A lady who is very sick, came with me, and her water changed differently than mine...and was a lot worse...so i think they work well...since we had different reactions....she felt tired after, and i never get headaches, and had a bad migraine all day yesterday....so I'm pretty sure I had a detox reaction...after the treatment , we had to take a cup of a mineral solution, to put back all the good stuff.....My friend has cancer, and her doctor actually recommended these treatments....Has anyone had good results with this....or a detox reaction? thanks Sandra

hi, if you look down at the post called "detox foot bath" you'll see my post about this. I have used this five times so far and do think I feel better, actually I do feel much better. I had the burning sensation in my leg on Sunday and used the foot bath and it went away, having said that my leg is still a bit sore, but I do feel better to answer your post. My kids used it also they do not have any fillings but the water only went light brown with them, with my self the water was dark brown/black !!!!! ...Yukk! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> I am going to keep using it as I think it can only do some good.

Sandra, thanks so much for sharing your experience. Lizbet filled me in on her experiences and I'd really l ike to get my own foot bath machine.

Are you girls spacing out your foot baths? I was wondering whether it's a once a week thing or what?

SomedaySoon (Sharon)

Sandra: For your friend who has cancer, I would strongly recommend "Cancer Doesn't Scare me Anymore" by Dr. Lorraine Day.
http://www.drday.com/

Somedaysoon I am using the footbath round about twice a week, they recommend I think about six treatments initially then maybe two or three a month as a maintenance. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> Although cos I'm trying to get mercury out of my system I think I'll maybe stick to 2 a week for a while longer then reduce it - I will just see how it goes or should I say how I feel.

Hi, me again....I am starting them at 1x per week..i asked my naturopath, and she thinks 1 x a week is good...i guess after a foot bath, your body detoxes for 3 days....so you shouldn't have them more than twice a week....the lady who did mine said they are a deep detoxifier...even though you don't feel a thing while having it done.....................Did anyone have a headache afterwards.....or feel tired and ill.................i do feel better today, but felt ill right after the treatment? thanks Sandra...............and thanks for the cancer info.

LIZBIT.......Do you still have mercury fillings???Just wondering....Mine are all out...thanks Sandra

Sandra, I still have a mercury filling under a crown. I stupidly got five mercury fillings removed without any precautions over a period of a month. I was unaware at the time that I was exposing myself to a huge amount of mercury/mercury vapour by doing this and have now leared to my cost that I should have done more research.

I have had problems last month with breathing, ie. feeling like I couldn't get a proper breath, and also with hypoglycemic attacks now and again, oh and chest pain and yeast infection etc etc.

However this seems to have improved a lot since I stared the footbaths.

I am taking various vitamins etc and am using the footbath. I am not going to touch the other filling just now as I feel I have put more than enough strain on my body just now. I feel that the footbath is a gentle way to remove various toxins well so far anyway. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Hi Sandra,

Yes I had great results with the LL's magnetic bentonite clay bathes and the Moorbath deep peat just as you did with the ionic clay!!!

I too felt revived of all the migraines, dizzyness, and that sadated sick feeling of heavy metal toxicity too after the clays I tryed. I also feelt very relaxed after the Moorbath especially!!! The Moorbath should not be taken if you have high blood pressure though. I have low blood pressure, thank God.

These bathes are the best thing I have ever discovered for detoxing heavy metals and I wish everyone knew how great they are. I'm so glad that you found the ionic clays. They sound like they work just as well!!!

Good luck and spread the good news about these baths <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />!

I also had the foot baths and the stuff that comes out is unbelievable...brown foamy stuff and the little black specks that are the heavy metals. The last 2 I did were done only a day apart and I did feel very tired after the second one....so spacing them out is probably a very good idea.

Well, I had my 2nd ionic foot bath(went to a clinic for it)...and it only went from clear to yellow to orange...to only a little brown...with hardly any sediment at the bottom...I felt awesome after...I went shopping, cleaned the house, exercised....I haven't had this much energy in years......I must be finally free of metals, since it did not go black...I guess it pulled toxins from my urinary tract, liver and joints....I am going again in a few weeks...so i'll let ya know what happens then.....These foot baths work amazingly...and I recommend them to anyone...I do not have my own machine...I pay only $25 for each treatment, so it is affordable...Thanks Sandra P

This sounds like an interesting concept. How does one go about getting the materials? Or, do you go to someone who performs these?

I went somewhere for it...You can buy a machine , but they are around $2000.00...Too expensive for me right now...I really know they work....Sandra P

Hi Tammy,

Iv'e been getting the same excellent results with the LL's magnetic clay baths and deep peat Moorbaths. They are only approximately $7. a bath when you break down the cost. If you would like more information on these baths, read page 1 of DMPS AND SUCIDAL THOUGHTS. Scroll down to the post that says ATTENTION EVERYONE, by SCARLET on this mercury section of the forum. If your really toxic, than a foot bath is all you need. After you get your amalgams and other hevy metals removed, a full bath will probably be needed. PLEASE NOTE: If you have high blood pressure, than don't use the Moorbath!

Good luck!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Hi Tammy, Did you try the clays I suggested? Their great!!!

Good luck, Scarlet!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Hi Eveyone,

Not sure if I will make it back to this site but just wanted to let you know that I too have been doing the foot baths. I have been doing 2 a week at a local Vancouver BC clinic. Panacea.

I have a fatty liver, high cholesterol, sleep apnea, endometriosis, PCOS and an adreanal, thyroid and hormonal imbalance.

Being pretty sick - my naturopath is hitting my tmt hard. I have a dark brown brine with green clear water edging, a ton of black grit sediment and brown and black froth with globs of orange and streeks of green froth.

It is incredible how well I feel after. I really believe in it and am very happy to be able to clean out my body this way. I do body visualizations while my feet are in the bath. I find the days that I am not interupted - I cleanse more.

Wish everyone the best health - I am doing a multiposter to allow myself to figure out what is wrong and help me work hand in hand with my naturopath.

I thing this active approach makes all the difference - personal involvement is so important.

All the best in new health,

Bobbi
bbiphoto1@yahoo.com

Does anyone know if it is safe to do the foot baths when the amamgams are still in? I know a man who is EXTREMELY toxic, has fibromyalgia, is overweight and has lots of fillings. He also has worked as a painter and stripped much paint - some of it containing lead. He is having a difficult time believing his illness is due to these toxins. He has no money and cannot get his amalgams removed at this time. However, maybe for $7, he would try the footbaths. Can you get them at a local health food store, or do you need to go online?

Hi Dallas,

Oh I feel so bad for the man that you know who is extremely toxic and can't afford to get those horrible amalgams out!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

I strongly believe that the clay baths I used saved my life before I got my amalgams removed!!! I believe I would have been dead by now if it weren't for the baths that revived me every few days!!! Yes they are very effective! They worked for me when nothing else would!

Both the Moorbath and the LL's magnetic clay baths must be ordered on line, unless you can find a distributer near by for the LL's baths. The Moorbath worked best for me before I got my amalgams and other heavy metals out, because it was a little more powerful than the LL's magnetic clay bath. Now that I got these toxins out, the LL's magnetic clay baths work best! PLEASE NOTE: You can't use the Moorbath if you have high blood pressure.

Go to DMPS AND SUICIDAL THOUGHTS in this mercury section of the forum. Scroll down to my post that says ATTENTION EVERYONE by SCARLET. It will tell you exactly where to order these baths. The man Chris Hall from ALIVE AND AWARE NATURAL HEALTH Ebay store is so caring that I highly recommend him to everyone if you choose to order the LL'S magnetic clay baths. He is not concerned with the money more than he is about helping people.

If your concerned about ordering anything from the internet as I am, I believe that using pay pal is the safest way to order anything on the internet.

God bless you and this person that you know!!!

Scarlet, does one need to take supplemental minerals etc when using the footbaths?

Hi Dallas,

Yes you do! Some of the minerals are lost when chelating, so they need to be replaced. If he is already taking suppliments than he should continue as usual. Also ginger and/ or peppermint tea after each bath is good if he has detoxed too long and it caused him alittle light headedness.

When your really toxic it is best to only take a foot bath at first. This is what I did when I had my toxic dental metals still in. Then after a month after removal, I wasn't as toxic and was able to take a full bath.

Ask him if he has high blood pressure. If he does then the Moorbath is NOT for him, the LL's magnetic clay baths would be the better choice.

If he orders any of the clays he should ask as many questions about them as he can. This way he can make the right choice!!!

God bless you both!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Has anyone tried "floating" in Epsom salt capsules? My local beauty salon is offering half hour and hour floating sessions in Epsom salts at body temperature water. I know Epsom salts are good for detoxing, so I have scheduled myself an appointment for Monday to test it out. I will let you know how it goes...

Nina,

Iv'e heard that they work well from other people. You don't need to pay anyone else for this though. You can go to the store and just buy it yourself and than soak in it to save money.

I don't though think that they detox as well as the clay baths. The people that did the salt baths were still feeling alot more toxic than I , when I'm using the clay baths. I hope you have more positive results though.

Hi Scarlet,

Thanks for the tip. I have been doing my own Epsom salt baths when I lived in the States, however they are hard to come by where I live now and I only have a stand up shower in my flat.

As far as floating in Epsom salts, it's supposed to have other benefits apart from detoxing, and if I feel that it does me good then I will pay for it once in a while... Most of my money has been going to "repairing" myself and my health after mercury poisoning and this is something that I have come to accept.

The healthy way of living can be rather costly since it's the opposite of what the majority of the people do on daily basis, but I have come to accept that and the fact that I will have to live differently than the majority of people if I am ever to get completely better.

Well, as it turned out I was able to get the ionic footbath instead of the espom salt bath. It turned out to be much cheaper than the bath and I think it's probably what I need more.

I can't tell whether I have any detox reaction to it. There are some days that I feel better or worse it seems like regardless of what I do. My water changed much like Sandra P described hers, swampy brown and it had a metalic smell in the end. The lady suggested I came back in 3 days and I think I will keep doing the baths. Time will tell, but for now I hope that they are a good detoxifier.

Hi Nina,

These baths are excellent and are only about $7. for each full bath. A foot bath is even less and all you need is a small garbage bucket for the water. Click to PAGE 1 of DMPS AND SUICIDAL THOUGHTS in this MERCURY SECTION FORUM to my 1st POST from SCARLET that says; ATTENTION EVERYONE!!! THE LL'S MAGNETIC CLAY BATHS AND THE MOORBATH ARE EXCELLENT FOR DETOXING!!!

Then scroll down to my 3rd post that says; DIRECTIONS ON HOW TO USE THE CLAY BATHS!!!

Brown rice, millet, other grains, dry beans, and vegetables are less expensive than junk food. Organic can be expensive though but its well worth it when it comes to your health. I believe in the long run it does pay off to eat healthy when you don't have to suffer later with pain, sickness, and high medical bills.

I can relate to having to do many therapies, homemade remedies, suppliments etc!!! This takes up to 50% of my day. Also all the suppliments although inexpensive, they do add up when you are taking many of them.

I hope that your amalgams were replaced with another much safer material. I believe I would be alot more healthy if the dentist didn't replace my toxic metals for toxic white composites. Here is some information about the most toxic and safest dental materials. Click to HOW TO RESPOND TO THOUGHS IN DOUBT in this MERCURY SECTION OF THE FORUM to my 2nd POST from SCARLET that says; NOT ONLY MERCURY AMALGAMS ARE TOXIC, BUT ALMOST ALL OTHER DENTAL MATERIALS!!!

God bless you and I hope you get healthy soon!!!

Has anyone here ever tried cellular zeolite for it's ability to enhance the excretion of heavy metals(Especially Mercury). I've read the science behind it and it seems to make quite a lot of sense. It's suppose to have a particular affinity for mercury and is eliminated from the body within 7 hours.

Check the testimonials

http://www.zeolitesupport.com/cellular-zeolite/catalog/Testimonials-sp-1.html

Anyone ever used this before??

Sounds kind of hokey to me, especially since you have to download their testimonials to read them...beware of spyware. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Sandi

That's what I thought when I first read it. But you never know. We have to draw the line between gullability and having an open enough mind to accept something that could be revolutionary. I'm going to try 1 or 2 bottles out and keep everyone 'posted' on how it goes.

If what they say is true then zeolite has the ability to detox heavy metals brilliantly and it has a particular affinity for mercury. There was one report where they had a baby horse who nearly died of mercury poisoning and tested clean of mercury after just two weeks on the zeolite.

Like I said, I'm still skeptical. But who knows, we might just stumble across something that could be of great benefit to us all.

Where do you go to get these ionic foot baths. Is it at a spa or a clinic of some sort?

I get them done at my local health food store, a guy comes in 3 or 4 times a week to do them, costs $25 for 45 minutes.

you can also get ionic footpads which arnt that expensive and you can use them while you are sleeping they also seem to be very effective and you can use them on different parts of the body

What health food store is this?

I am a msaage therapist and just purchased an Ionic Detox foot bath unit. I see clients in my office in Lansing MI.
and also use the foot bath myself. I am having varying responses, but everyone who has used the treatment reports feeling tingley in the feet and legs for a few days after and sometimes a little tired after the first few times.
It is different for each person, but dramatic, nonetheless.
If anyone would out there lives near Lansing, and would like to try the Ionic foot bath out, feel free to call my office at (517)316-0606.

HI there, I live in the Vancouver area... can you tell me which health food store so I can go?

Thanks,
Janet

Planet Organic in Port Coquitlam knows of someone who does it, and also Uptown Health foods in Maple Ridge...where abouts in town do you live, what area? If you get the natural health magazines that you can pick up in natural food markets, they have listings of natural practitioners in them ...or ask at your local h/f store or ND's office, they may know of someone who does it. I am thinking of buying one for myself...they are only about $1500 USD.

best luck,
Sandi
xoxo

Hello All, My name is Anita and I just purchased my IONIC Detox Foot Bath unit and am using it RIGHT now!!

I am amazed at what is being pulled out of my system!!! Foamy sable brown in colour and I am a bit freaked out about it..really..

I have never been on a forum and am not sure of the protocal for this type of stuff.

I live in Vancouver , BC and am willing to offer treatments that are comparable to what has been listed on this forum. For $1.00 per minute, [color:"purple"] [/color] you are welcome to a session in my home, if you prefer your home, additional fees will apply depending on distance of travel, gas, etc.

My email is anita@earthmagic.biz <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

has anyone any experience with this particular ionic footbath product?
http://www.rtassociates.co.uk/iondetoxfootspa051.htm

I just want to help contribute a little to this conversation.

I don't know of all the health benefits associated with foot baths, but my company (Herb Allure) recently considered manufacturing these devices. Before we did, we wanted to confirm whether or not they really work, especially for mercury. We don't want to be associated with fads or Gimmicks.

We borrowed a popular unit from a friend of ours and ran our three employees through it according to the instructions provided with the unit. Then we ran the unit twice without feet in it at all. Here's what we found.

The water was visually identical in all cases.

This is most likely because the gunk that you see in the water has nothing to do with your feet or detoxing your body. It comes from the corroded metal electrode in the water. This electrode corrodes at a hyper rate caused by a process called electrolysis. The result is everything from foam to slimy films to black flecks in the water.

We had the water lab tested for metal content, including heavy metals. We found no difference between the normal sample and the control samples (samples that had no feet in them). Additionally, two of the three test subjects have amalgam fillings.

We don't know if there are other health benefits associated with the device but I do know that some people do feel better after a few weeks of using it (I've talked to several people about this in the course of our research). Unfortunately, most people don't consider that they are told that they have to take mineral supplements with each treatment.

Considering that most people in the world are mineral deficient, it would be interested to have people try taking the supplements without the foot spa treatment and see if they feel different in a few weeks.

Here are some photos of the experiment. We will be posting the lab results as soon as we get time (time is hard to come by):

Foot Spa Test Photographs

Despite the fact that we estimate that we could increase our annual revenue by at least 4 times (400%) by manufacturing and selling these units, we have decided not to manufacture them because we have not found any evidence that they actually do anything.

Just thought you should know.

Russ,

Wow, that's great that you guys tested it like that, using a control!! I've been wondering for a while if they help at all....I used some of the foot patches for a week, and they certainly turned dark brown. BUT, the herbs inside them were light brown to begin with, and the things make your feet sweat quite a bit. So I had no way of knowing if the wet, slimy dark brown stuff that I found the following morning (you wear them while you sleep) was simply sweat mixing with the herbs already there, or if it was toxins that were pulled out of my body. I didn't feel any different, so I was a bit skeptical of them. So I find these results fascinating, because it's the same type of scenario.

~Tia

Russ, I really appreciate you doing that control test. I was interested in these treatments, but unfortunately getting the amalgams out drained my bank account. I'm seeing improvements with Andrew Cutler's protocol. Don't want to
upset the apple cart by trying to move it out too fast. Again, thank you.

The water will change colours regardless if there are feet in it or not...Something to do with the oxygen being intoduced (H20)...but when I had mine done with a friend ....our water turned colours at different rates...and different colours...I had some green..she did not...Plus I had a headache afterwards and had so much more energy...So I do believe that these baths do something....Thanks Sandra P

Hi Russ,

Thanks a lot for having tested that foot bath equipment. It’s great you had the opportunity of reliable laboratory tests. Are you in a position to carry out reliable tests concerning foot patches too?

I'd love to do more testing, including the foot patches. It's just hard to find the time.

I also want to clarify that the foot spa experiment does not suggest anything other than that the spas don't remove heavy metals, or any metals for that matter. What the effects of these devices are on body chemistry or other aspects of health, I simply don't know.

If they do have benefits, great. I would just love to see some real research that points that out.

Hope this was helpful <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Hi Russ,

I fully agree with you. To be frank I concentrate on removing Hg from my body. Other benefits of any equipment or drug seem to be marginal for me at the moment. I am seeking ways and methods of accelerating the process of cleansing. Unfortunately every single method I tried worsened my symptoms in the short term although many of them seem to be useful in the long run. I was hesitating if I should try foot baths. So thanks again for saving my time.

My pleasure. Glad to help.

I know of a product called PCA-RX made by Maxam Labs. It is the best product I have heard of that removes not only mercury but other heavy metals, pesticides, industrial pollutants, chemiclas, etc.....I have used it on and off for about 5 years. It is awesome stuff. It goes past the blood -brain barrier also. It is a sublingual spray. I highly recommend that you check out their website. I would be here all day telling you about all the things it does. I heard about it from my holistic dentist who does amalgam removal. I can say that my brother in law sprays pesticides for a living (YUCK!) and I told him to go on this product. Mind you when he comes home from work he smells like he fell into a chemical vat. From top to bottom he is covered with pesticide residue. He went on PCA-RX for a few months and then got tested to see if he had pesticides in his system and there were none to be found. My husband has a dentist for a dad. Every tooth is filled to capacity with amalgams. He got tested for heavy metals and was just about off the charts. He was also told that his liver was the worst they have seen on this particular test. He is also a carpenter and is constantly exposed to chemicals. He went on the PCA-RX and some supplements for his liver, started to wear a mask and gloves when working with chemicals After about 6 months he was told that his liver is near normal. I ignorantly got about half of my amalgams removed without any protocol a while back. I went on the PCA-RX for about 2-3 months and was tested for heavy metals and there was none to be found. This PCA-RX is very gentle and protects the organs while it is removing the toxins. I read on another website about someone trying LL's magnetic clays with this PCA-RX for superior results. Heres the website. www.maxamlabs.com 1-800-800-9119

do they ship to the united kingdom

I am not sure you will have to call the number above.

I am not sure call the number above to find out.

Russ, thanks for posting the info. I guess I can take the Ionic Foot Bath off my wish list. lol!

SomedaySoon

this PCA-RX sounds almost to good to be true, does anyone have any pointers to independent research on it?

Not sure about the PCA-RX as such but it has chlorella in it and there is heaps of research on chlorella. See mercola.com

I cannot attest to the removal of mercury using foot baths...however I do know the GUNK that comes out of my feet is different everytime. Further I have been in a room with five people having them done, and all our "water" looks different. Identical machines, identical water for bath..different results...HMMMM

I can attest to the fact that I DO feel better. Drugs weren't working....massage, supplements, foot baths, magnetic necklace, colon cleansing...THESE have worked. I feel better than I have in two years of traditional medicine. Try a few..what do you have to lose? We spend money willingly on traditional medicine...why not try some alternatives?

I tried my Aunt's Ionic Foot bath and had dramatic sludge etc. I was both fascinated and appalled. She lives in Minnesota though so I have just invested in an Ionic Foot bath for myself, family and to sell sessions.

What have you paid for sessions here in Vancouver?

I think it is a wonderful addition to a health regime.

Thanks

Interesting thread...thanks for sharing Russ. I have been suspicious of this ever since I took distilled water in with me to use and the guy turned white. He said the ionizer needed minerals to work....so I used the tap water and have wondered ever since if it is not a hoax. The water is always the same brownish color with white foam and black specks in it.

Hmmmm, now I am really wondering if they do anything besides give you nice clean soft feet. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

Sandi

Hi Russ,

I'm glad you at least consider selling the clay baths before you tested them but I don't care what the water looks like; THE MOORBATH SAVED MY LIFE, ESPECIALLY WHEN I WAS EXTREMELY TOXIC BEFORE AMALGAM REMOVAL!!! No I wasn't feeling toxic because I wasn't taking enough of all the recommended minerals and suppliments either. THE LL'S MAGNETIC CLAY BATH WORKED TOO ALTHOUGH IT WAS ALOT MORE MILD. These clays worked excellent when nothing else would.

DID YOU TEST THE MOORBATH? THIS IS INTIRELY DIFFERENT FROM BENTONITE CLAY, BECAUSE IT IS DEEP PEAT, NOT A CLAY. THIS IS ALOT MORE POWERFUL THAN BENTONITE CLAY YET JUST AS GENTLE!!! THEREFORE IT IS EXCELLENT FOR EXTREMELY TOXIC PEOPLE BEFORE AMALGAM REMOVAL, ESPECIALLY!!!

DID YOU TEST THE LL'S MAGNETIC CLAY BATH? THIS IS A BENTONITE CLAY THAT IS MORE MILD THAN THE MOORBATH DEEP PEAT. THEREFORE IT WORKS BEST AFTER AMALGAM REMOVAL. SINCE IT IS MORE MILD, YOU MAY NEED TO USE MORE CLAY, SOAK LONGER IN IT, DO EACH TREATMENT MORE OFTEN, OR WORK UP TO A FULL BATH INSTEAD OF JUST A FOOTBATH.

It won't cost much to test these because you don't need an expensive machine to use them. You just use them in your own tub. If you want to know how to test the clays I used than I will explain how, if you can't find the posts that have the directions in them. I never tryed the ionic foot bath so I couldn't tel you if that clay really works or not.

I believe if you get someone who is highly toxic like I was with alot of mercury, porcelein (aluminum oxide) crowns with nickel, and gold too causing electroylsis and a batterie affect in their mouth to test these clays it will be a more accurate test!!! Usually the more toxic you are feeling, the more relief you well feel after the clay baths. I feelt a huge difference after each bath, but guess what, my fiance's mother tryed the clay bath and didn't feel much difference. It probably was because she was'nt very toxic to begin with.

All brands are different and I do believe that some are a scam and others aren't just like other types of products. Maybe you could test these clays, but no matter what I can not lie to my self and say that these clays did not do a worked a miracle on me, because that would be the same as if I said that I never got sick from toxic dental materials!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> I don't sell these clays or any other product but even so, I feel devastated that I can't recommend anything to people with mercury and heavy metal toxicity that is strong enough yet gentle enough not to give them thoughs horrific side affects that DMSA and DMPS gives. I feel like my hands are tied and it makes me nausead to have to read so many posts about people suffering neednessly just because their using very harsh and yet harmful methods to detox with!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

Although I have to deal with candidas, and allergies due to the after affects of mercury, the toxic white composites I have now, painful nerve damage, and bacteria in my jaw bone, I'm glad I don't have to deal with the mercury toxicity symptoms I had before I used the clays!!! I'm still depressed for all the other people though!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

FROM SCARLET, <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

I've been using Waiora (liquid zeolite) for a year, I'm doing it with the microhydrin. I dump two capsules of the mycrohydrin in a gallon of distilled water. I take ten drops of Waiora three times a day. Drinking the water with it helps wash the mercury out quicker. Not only does the Waiora detox you it also promotes a heathy immune system. The mycohydrin gives you energy and your body absorbes better.

Has anyone taken the PCA-RX? I would like to learn more about it. I would be gratefull if anyone could give me some input. I'm detoxing mercury and my Uncle was diagnosed w/pakinson's disease. I wonder if this would be helpfull for him? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

Couple thoughts...

I would love to test the clay baths, just hard to find the time. I believe it's likely that they do provide some good benefits, including the ability to detox. Unfortunately, I literally work nearly every waking moment and finding the time is hard. I'm glad we were able to make the time to test the electronic foot bath, however. My main background is in electronics and I was going to design and sell our own unit if it really worked.

I know a lot of people feel better when they use the electronic foot baths, and that's good, but I personally don't believe it's because of toxins coming out of the feet. I personally lean in the direction that it's the mineral supplements you take when you have a foot bath (most people are very mineral deficient) and it may also have to do with soaking your feet in mineral water as well. The electricity may also cause some kind of internal reaction but I could not make a device without understanding it's long term effects. The body is not naturally subjected to this kind of electricity.

I also know that some people say that the water looks different depending on who's feet are in the water. We found this to be somewhat true as well, but, when the water was mixed, it all looked exactly the same. In fact, when the feet came out of the water, I could see that the water began to settle towards a similar appearance in all cases. It's possible that the initial differing appearance is caused by various oils or other substances on the surface of the skin of the person being bathed.

The appearance of the water also—I tend to believe—depends on how much a person moves around in the water. The electrode gives off a lot of muck in the water. If a person is fidgety, they tend to mix more of the greens and browns into the water from the corroding electrode. If they are more still, the water has a lighter brown hazy appearance. I believe that this is likely why companies that have been more honest in their advertising have admitted that, even with no feet in the water, the water turns brown. They then say that the water is more brown when feet are in it, but this is, in my opinion, because of the movement of the feet in the water. This mixing action increases the efficiency of the electrolysis by circulating fresh water near the electrode. This circulation also carries the particles from the electrode into the water instead of allowing it to settle.

In speaking to a number of people at the convention we attended in September, we also learned that many people believe that the black specks that are found in the bottom of the water are heavy metals that have come out of the feet.

Well, I was initially skeptical of this because the basic physics of this make it quite impossible. When confronted with this idea, some explained that they believe that the metals come out in very small particles and then coagulate because of the electricity present. Since we found these same dark specs at the bottom of both of our foot bath sessions that had no feet in them, I believe this is, at least, unlikely. It is also very unlikely because if the amount of particles that came out of the bath really came from a person and were heavy metals, they would be dead to begin with. The amount of mercury (and other heavy metals) that cause death is way too small to be seen, especially in the volume of water used in a foot bath.

I've also seen live cell analysis showing that peoples' red blood cells look healthier after an electronic foot bath. This could be true, yet, in speaking to a person I know who does live cell analysis, they told me that it's very easy to manipulate these tests—making one look like the cells are "lazy" and making the very next test making the cells look healthy and active. I'm not saying the company did this. I'm just saying that I would like to see tests done by a disinterested third party.

I would like to see a study where people take the supplements that are normally given to people when they have a foot bath and they soak their feet in water with the minerals added but have no electricity applied to the water. It would be interesting to see if this causes people to feel differently as well.

I truly wish our tests had shown that these foot baths remove heavy metals because I would have been thrilled to have found a quick and safe way to detox. Also, I would be manufacturing these devices right now and making quite a bit of money. Unfortunately, we don't make much money doing what we're currently doing, but we pay the bills (usually) and people benefit, and that's rewarding.

Anyway, thanks for all the feedback. I don't want to step on any toes yet I have to tell the truth whether I like it or not.

Hi All:

I realize that the idea of 'Ionic Foot Baths' (IFB) can seem very convincing, and I'm sorry to have to rain on the parade, but I feel I must point out that anyone who has learned how to make Colloidal Silver (CS) can see at once what these baths are really about.

Both procedures, IFB and CS, use electrolysis - the setting up of a small current of electricity between two electrodes that are immersed in water. When making CS it's extremely important to use the PUREST water available. It's also important to control the current so that it never exceeds 1.0 milliamp.

If the water is impure and contains a lot of minerals (as is the case with most tap water), or if the current is too high, you will get exactly the same results as these 'Ionic Foot Baths'; you will end up with dirty discolored water. The sludge and discoloration will have come from the electrodes, and from the impurities in the water which will have undergone chemical changes by reacting with electricity. The various colors that have been reported could simply be the product of the kind of mineral salts, such as sea salt, that have been added to the starting solution.

You can very easily duplicate what happens in an 'Ionic Foot Bath' by connecting up three nine-volt batteries to two wires, stripping the ends of the wires, inserting them in a jar of water, and adding a pinch of sea salt or some other mineral salt. Cloudiness and discoloration should appear fairly quickly, and sludge will eventually build up on your electrodes if you let this little experiment in electrolysis run for half an hour or so.

A foot bath is always nice and refreshing. An 'Ionic Foot Bath' is probably even more stimulating. But to suppose that the resultant debris has actually been drawn from deep inside your body is, I'm sorry to say, really stretching the imagination. The impurities in tap water, which are normally invisible to the naked eye, quickly become visible when you run a current of electricity through it.

Regards,

romano.

Good info. Thanks for it.

I did an experiment for my 6th grade science project using electrolysis. I coated a quarter with copper from a penny and also collected the hydrogen that bubbles up from one of the electrodes into a test tube and lit it on fire. It made a pop that made the teacher jump. I got an A+ <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Why is it that between photo 3081 and photo 3090, (the control test where you ran the machine on its own) the electrical cord moved itself from the right side of the tub and snaked its way under the tub and out the back? If it's a controlled experiment as it suggests, wouldn't you just not touch it and only photograph it?

The electrical cord on the electrode is very heavy and kept making the electrode look as if it were going to tip over. In the interest of being as accurate as possible, I ran the cord under the plastic container to prevent it from moving anymore.

Anonymous,

Do you profit monetarily from the sale or use of boot baths?

That's what I thought.

LOL

Yea, I believe it's funny myself, especially this type of sarcasm:

"...the electrical cord moved itself..."

I had someone on another forum suggest having this therapy and when I looked up online for the cost, I was totally blown away, digusted by it.

I personally believe it is another money making scheme exploiting the sick/vulnerable who are desperate for answers.

It's the same with my own doctor, she uses any scheme she can, so long as it's expensive on her patients. She's attempted to get me into all sorts of new age therapies and each of them has been in the name of lining her own pockets.

I'm not saying they do not work at all, but they are something tha thte patient tends to have to use CONSTANTLY in order to get any remote improvements and if they don't? She tells them "Yu just need more and to stay on it longer" and all the while draining the person's wallet and keeping herself happy.

I've yet to see ONE therapy she has offered that hasn't had a hefty price tag on it. How effective are these foot baths? I would hope they cure a patient at that price.

I understand how you feel. I personally get very frustrated when people exploit other people for money, and it's especially bad when they defame the alternative health industry doing it because they turn countless people away from potentially curing therapies.

Foot baths may or may not benefit people in some real way, but it's amazing when people are told that all the dark stuff that's in the foot basin came out of your body. We know better.

I personally know of a particular brand of foot bath that costs about $50 in parts to build that is selling for over $2500. I did the manufacturing/parts research myself.

50 dollars? Ok, my virtual mouth has dropped open., how on earth can the profit they make be justified? If it wasn't for those who are helping others and doing good, I'd lose faith in the entire human race.

Hi Russ:

Here's a bit more information on this topic that I just ran across. It was written by Stephen Loweris, a retired faculty member of the
Dept of Chemistry, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby / Vancouver, Canada and the complete article is well worth reading:

"More electrolytic pseudoscience: "Detoxifying" foot-baths

Have you ever heard of those foot-baths through which an electric current is passed in order to draw out the "toxins" from your body? To someone who knows no chemistry, it can be quite impressive to see all these evil substances color the water various shades of brown, green, and blue as the current works its magic. Sometimes you see flecks of solids and bubbles of gas appear as your body is "cleansed". Well, this is an old parlor trick, a nice chemistry-classroom demonstration, and, of course, a highly profitable scam...

How does it work? You place your feet in a bowl of water to which a bit of salt has been added. A small electric current is passed between two electrodes immersed in the water, which soon becomes quite discolored. The color, of course, comes from electrolytic corrosion of the metal electrodes. These are usually made of iron, nickel, and copper, all of which decompose into highly-colored ions; these colors will vary with the amount of salt present and the pH of the solution.

By-products of the electrolysis process are bubbles of hydrogen and chlorine gases (both of which are dangerous in confined spaces) and sodium hydroxide, commonly known as "lye". The latter tends to soften skin, allowing it to flake off, pick up various colors on reacting with the metal ions, and complete the illusion that one usually pays dearly for: individual treatments can be from $50 up, and the grossly overpriced power supply "machines" sold for home use can go for as much as $1000. And of course, all that really gets cleaned out is your wallet! ..."

From Post #1 at: http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=98088

To read all this, I am so angry that I had someone actually recommending this as a treatment to me on another forum and I am VERY tempted to copy and paste that info and put it up on that other forum. I am that angry right now.

Hi Everyone,

Although there are clay baths that are a scam, I know for a fact that the ones I used are not!!! I wish someone would do a test on these. Never the less, it wouldn't matter to me what color the water turns to be, since these baths were the only thing strong enough that revived me of all my mercury and heavy metal symptoms!!! What ever the reason is, or how they worked so well is besides the point. I believe these baths saved my life without any side affects.

I believe alot of these people who are knocking clay baths are doing it so that the chelation doctors make alot of money off of us for each treatment, and also for the oral chelation as well, since you have to see a doctor to get either these type of treatments.

I also believe that it is true that alot of clays out there are a scam just like everything else in life. There are good and bad teachers, doctors, products, etc. Unfortunately there are more bad than good though. Thank God these baths are good.

The LL's magnetic bentonite clay bath is only $50. for about 8-5 full baths and you don't need to buy anything else either. All you need is a bucket or your tub to soak in. You can find it at, Alive and Aware Natural Health E bay store. Alot of times this clay will be on sale for only $40.

The Moorbath (which is a deep peat) now called the Moor spa, at www.moorspa.com. is excellent. Dermamed company said that Moorspa sells the exact same deep peat but has a different labal on it. They said its the exact same thing though. I hope so. The only way to find out is to test it myself!!! Anyway, DEEP PEAT IS NOT REALLY A CLAY SO IT IS DIFFERENT FROM OTHER CLAY BATHS. Unfortunetly not enough people are aware of how great this deep peat is compared to other clay baths. I was fortunate to discover how powerful yet gentle this was even when I was detoxing with all my almalgams and other heavy metals in.

This deep peat is even more less expensive and more powerful than the LL's magnetic bentonite clay baths. Its only $44. for 5 bags. Since a footbath was strong enough even before almagam removal, 1 bag would last me 5 treatments. All you need with this deep peat is a bucket or your tub. Thats it! Now if that isn't affective detoxing that is very inexpensive too, than I don't know what is!!!

Russ, it would be nice if you would test these 2 baths to find out why they work so effectively so that all these people on the forum wouldn't have to deal with all the high expenses and harsh side affects of DMPS and/or DMSA !

FROM SCARLET, <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Hi Scarlet, DMSA taken the right way, it can reduce mercury in the blood very well and i've used it successfully, as have others (so long as it's done on the proper safe protocol). It is also used on children with autism.

The bad side effects and backlashes often are from the wrong use of these products (due to moving mercury in a risky fashion). The is the odd person that will not tolerate DMSA, but this is not common and it happens with foods too.

I'm not disputing clay baths, but some of us (myself included) do not eliminate the toxins via the skin as I was once doing very well and the cost of clay would be wasted, as my condition is no longer so much related to mercury and is much more complicated and worsened by a continual bacterial/viral infection that has I believe damaged my immune system.

I think we have to be aware people are goingto try their own way of doing things and what works for one, is not automatically going to work for someone else, or be embraced by someone else. Just as the way that worked for me, might not at all appeal to you.

Not all natural things are good. I've been harmed horribly by garlic supplementation, chlorella, cilantro etc etc. I am sure clay baths are about as safe as you can get, but I can not claim how effective they are with truly chelating mercury out of the body. And me trying it now would be pointless for the reasons I mentioned. At one stage I was able to sweat it out of my skin, but even then, I had to also address it with chelation too.

I understand your concern/warning about these chelation drugs DMSA and DMPS, but again, the natural products can cause awful symptoms too and just as bad sometimes. So it makes me think it's the mercury more than the product and it obviously needs to be appropriately moved to ensure as much safety as possible. Andy's protocol was the one that worked for me, other ones made me much worse. I can't speak for everyone else however, but not to give these drugs a bad name, they have saved many a person also, they just have to be used safely and people tested for tolerance.

ionic foot spa's and clay baths are two different things are they not?

Yes they are different. But I suppose considering that clay baths also are meant to extract toxins out of the skin, that they are on a similar level. at least the clay doesn't cost what these ionic foot baths do and the ionic foot baths are very dubious anyway from what I'm hearing.

Hi Bex:

You should go ahead and do just that. As Russ pointed out in an earlier post, the people promoting these 'Ionic Footbath' devices are helping to give all alternative health treatments - a goodly number of which do have highly beneficial effects - a bad name.

But so far as I can see, far from 'detoxifying' anyone all that these footbaths seem to do is to create a potent brew of toxins in the water. During the treatment some of these toxins are probably absorbed through the skin and this could well account for the headaches and feelings of tiredness, etc., that some users report.

Time to spread the word.

HI Romano, thanks for the encouragement. Problem is, now i can't remember who on earth recommended it. But at any rate, it's probably a good idea to post this info on it anyway on whatever forum to let others know.

It does indeed give other treatments a bad name!!! So sad that the sick are used like this to make money out of.

Bex.

Although I haven't done any physical research on bentonite, I tend to believe that bentonite (and some other "baths") are beneficial. They are working on another principle that makes more sense. Laura has done some research on it as well and it seems to pan out well.

I would love to perform some controlled experiments with some of the clays to see what's really happening (with all my fee time <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> ), but I would predict that we would see some action happening here.

So far as the ionic foot baths... I just haven't seen the evidence nor does it make much sense in terms of removing heavy metals.

I'm still finishing up the research but the preliminary writeup on our data can be found at this location:

http://herballure.com/Studies/IonicFootSpa.html

Ok, I sent a message to another group about ionic footbaths and gave some opinions expressed here on the possible drawbacks or not being quite what they are marketed as being. I forwarded some info I got from Russ and Romano. Here is a response I got and can any of you answer this so I can pass on your response to this person? thanks.

Re: [candidiasis] Ionic foot baths - psuedo science?


good info! i've been also trying to see if it's real or not....

i have another question about it though...how come each person has different
results? like i know my dad did it and he got a whole bunch of red and brown
stuff, my mom did it and she got all this white stuff, and me and my brother did
the foot bath with barely anything there!

i wonder...

thanks!
shefy

I honestly don't know why people get different results. I personally suspect that it has to do with contaminants on feet, foot powder, laundry detergent, chlorine, body salt, etc. I'm sure it doesn't take much to get some interesting effects in electrified water.

When we did our experiments, we got the similar-looking water after each session with only small differences, but there was foam, green stuff, black stuff, dark gunk, black specks, and even a greasy ring around the foot tub, and this when no feet were ever put in it.

I am open to the idea that something may be drawn out of the skin in small amounts, such as salts, sugars, or other components that probably don't affect health much. I'm just skeptical about heavy metals after doing our experiments.

http://herballure.com/Studies/IonicFootSpa.html

I know many people who say they feel better after having the "treatments" for a week or two, but I know they also have some excellent liquid minerals before each session. I wonder if they would feel differently just having the liquid minerals without the foot bath. I wish I had the time to do some more experiments <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

Hi I have recently got my emalgams removed and am trying to chelate with vit but am so sick. Can you tell me where i can find this moorbath stuff?
Kathryn.:-)

Hi Everyone,

I did a 12 in a row treatment of foot baths before I went in for surgery this past summer. A friend of mine a month ago told me the entire thing was a hoax and I had been taken . . . but explain my results then.

So because I was doing the footbaths every other day . . . and I did 12 - I really had a running play by play as to what was happening. The facility I go to even let's me set up my own bath and dump it. (yah I am there often).

So yah it is really handy to say that the metal and the salt together creates all of the stuff that ends up in the water - but I pretty much was a "control" - I did not change my soaps, I wore the same sandles - so it wasn't like I was introducing new things into the baths.

So the first bath had a 2 inch cover of beige foam on it - sort of an orage brown curdled oatmeal particulate and then what looked like black ash on the bottom.

The second bath was pretty much the same with less beige foam - and on it went with every type of thing mentioned decreasing.

Now, the baths were performed with the same machine, but by different people, and they did not keep track of the results.

I basically foot bathed until there was really nothing happening in the water any more. I did feel a lot better.

So - If it is a parlor trick as previously stated - and this entire thing is a "money grab" $32CDN - then why did my water continue to clear with each treatment? I mean I have read all the "scientific" x + y = z mix these ingredients and you get the same results - yatta yatta - but it does not make a speck of sense to me.

I also did oxygen saunas - I had to quit those - they were too rough on me - "seriously" - the first and second where ok - I had a few black spots on the towels - and then the with the third treatment I developed a bi-lateral hive like rash on both sides of my back - over my lung area. The rash or hives where like hives on hives. I did my last and final sauna a few days later and almost passed out - it wasn't the heat - It was just too harsh of a treatment style for me.

The hive patches took 3 weeks to go away - but basically what happened after that was an upper body candida dermal out break - and I still have it today - So yah that is my alternative health "healing" stories for you.

I am pretty sure I will continue with the foot baths, but the likely hood of crawling back into an oxygen sauna is not likely.

For those looking at mercury removal - I am half done a colon cleanse - Dr. Natura - parasite and heavy metal cleanse. I had my silver fillings removed unsafely about 11 years ago - and had a dark slide blood test show moderate heavy metals in my blood. The cleanse claims to kill parasites, clean impacted fecal matter from the intestine, and support organs while detoxing and removing heavy metals.

It is 3 months long - felt flu "ish" for the first week - but since then have been doing quite well compaired to my "Awareness cleanse(which almost killed me)".

After this I will address yeast - likely with threelac.

And start cleansing organs group by group.

Am heading to the naturopath today - thinking about going on potassium iodide - very interesting stuff - especially for those with hypothyroid and candida.

Well - So I will stop typing now - <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Mercury9189

Thanks Russ! I was about to get sucked into this based on seeing it at my health food store, then my acupuncturist even recommended.

What minerals do they give you? It sounds like that and a nice warm bath every night would improve health.

Thanks!

You're welcome. I'm glad it was a benefit to you.

The minerals they give are usually a general broad-range liquid mineral supplement which contains a wide range of minerals including trace minerals—which are important. Good stuff to take actually. Most people could seriously use a mineral supplement.


As for the post about decreasing color density of the water used in their foot spa sessions...

I have read lab research on a particular foot spa website that says that they found increases of Urea, Creatinine, and Glucose.

— http://amajordifference.com/ion_research.php

Getting urea, creatinine, and glucose out via the feet really seems useless to me, to be honest, but could be playing a role in the color differences in the water, although doubtful. Unfortunately, this data is just not too interesting, in my opinion. More studies need to be done.

My contention in the studies that we did is that we should have seen a substantial rise in the heavy metals. We should have seen some significant changes in each occupied test as compared to the controls that made us go, "wow". Unfortunately, there were not.

http://herballure.com/Studies/IonicFootSpa.html

This vendor page now has a "Heavy Metals Report" showing increases in heavy metals. I believe it's important to understand the amounts of heavy metals involved—as our test also showed an increase in heavy metal content for some metals, but...

Here's a quote from our experiment:

"We also need to consider the Average Daily Intake column showing the daily human ingestion of lead, which is 0.25 milligrams4. If we draw a ratio between the average amount of lead increase in the occupied water samples (.0016 mg) to the average amount of lead consumed by humans daily (0.25 mg), we find that the increase amounts to a very small percentage of the daily human intake of lead: 0.64%."

"To put this into perspective, if we assume that the foot spa removes .0016 mg of lead per session and we assume that a person consumes an average of 0.25 mg of lead per day1, it would require 156 foot spa sessions to remove the amount of lead an average person consumes in a single day."

— http://herballure.com/Studies/IonicFootSpa.html#Lead

Now, referring to their heavy metal study, they claim that their device removed .00571 mg/L of lead (you have to convert ppb —their unit of measurement, to mg/L—our unit of measurement). To put this into perspective, if you consume 0.25 mg of lead per day, you would need to have 43 of their foot spa sessions to remove the amount of lead you consume in a single day.


Here is an honest excerpt from a different foot spa website:



— http://www.cleanbodydetox.com/

In the end, I believe we're going to find that these baths are mostly useless for the purpose of removing heavy metals. They may have some positive effect on the body, but I'm skeptical because of the unnatural voltages you encounter during a session and because of the limited amount of substance that can be excreted through pores in 30 minutes.

I am, however, open minded and would love to find out that there is some safe and easy and effective way to detox heavy metals. If anyone finds one, let me know.

In all honesty, foot patches may have more promise than foot spas.

You can also look online to purchase one. The one I bought was from BBS. You can check out <a href="http://getridoftoxins.com">Get Rid of Toxins</a>. THey seem to have the best prices, plus a free book.

Ross,i did 3 sessions with the ion foot bath treatment and i believe in them,maybe the machine you wrer using was a cheap model or even ,i have heard of the machine running with no feet in the water and it only turns a light tea color....my first seesion the water was pretty gross,but after each session it was getting really clearer...but you got me wondering tho..........RONNIE

Russ,

I have started the Ionic foot baths. They cost me $150 for 10 treatments. The water has been deepening in color each time with black flakes present...indicating heavy metals. I also have a product called Cardio Renew which is 100% EDTA. Below is the link:

http://www.cardiorenew.com/Compare.htm?gclid=COSlqpb5nooCFRUhNAod2yT8oQ

I am feeling much better and I am using organic food products only since starting the detox. I would encourage anyone who TRULY wants to cleanse their body they buy only organic produce. It really makes me wonder why Cancer is so prevalent and with the chemicals placed onto out foods it is no wonder.

I will keep you posted on my progress. Take care all.

I'm glad people are feeling better and I love seeing people recover from health conditions. I would just be aware that taking mineral supplements—like those given before a foot bath—could also make a person feel better.

Additionally, it's not probable that flecks of metal the size of those seen in the bottom of a tub after a foot bath (here) could travel through human skin.

I'm not trying to offend anybody. I'm just attempting to take a careful look at the foot spa phenomenon from a practical sense point of view.

If it's working for people, that's great. It's just that our tests show nothing significant, and that other factors (mineral supplements) could be tried by a person without a foot spa to see if people feel better as well.

I'm also careful about new ideas like this because we don't know the long-term effects of exposing your body to unnaturally-large voltages.

Have been using a detox footbath every Friday for 3 wks. Knee pain gone, swollen ankles gone.. Great stuff.
PH

Good to hear. I'm glad you've found something that works for you.

I've heard from a number of people that they have symptoms return after they stop the sessions for a few weeks. I would be interested in hearing if this happens with you, when you reach such a point in time.

Just curious.

Thanks.

I just did another session to investigate further,the water does have a distinct smell of iron in the water after a session,i know believe the water turns brown because of the corrosion of the array...this was my 4th session and i now think ITS A SCAM....the water was more dirtier than the first time i did it....to detoxify i will fast from now on...its a lot less expensive.

I would be interested if someone ran one of these without putting their feet in it. I have seen the same thing with some sort of electrolosis unit. Unless you use reverse osmosis water the minerals in the water are what turns nasty looking. How much comes out of your feet I would guess is minimal, defies logic really with session time etc. Even the detox foot pads are to be worn over night.?? I am open to anything but like to see some sort of evidence thats proven

Hey this is a very good post. Russ, your experiments sound very well thought out and scientific.

First off I would like to say I have a degree in molecular and cellular biology and I am attending medical school. I would say about 7 months ago I tried one of these foot baths because I was simply curious and was visiting the neighborhood naturopath.

He only charged me about 20 dollars for a 30 minute sessions and I have to admit I was waay skeptical and didn't expect anything. Having extensive knowledge of chemistry and biological processes I just couldn't see how this would work and most of the stuff he told me I knew to be poppy cock from the very beginning but I entertained him.

So I watch him put the distilled water and add some sea salt to the mixture and then I get my feet in there. Immediately I felt a tingling sensation. I thought well that feels cool anyway, I'll just enjoy that. By the time it was over I felt like I had a energy high, and when I say that I mean that it simply felt like I had both more physical energy and strangely enough spiritual energy.

Now that is probably a surprise to hear "spiritual energy" but I have done a large amount of research and personal exploration into raising these spiritual energy levels and I am quite aware of what it feels like when it happens.

I wasn't expecting this result at all and was quite pleased with it. Of course the water also looked nasty and was actually stinky but personally I think that these chemicals and organic substances that were removed were minimal. Its not unimaginable that a wide variety of colors and textures are possible but I believe they could easily be attributed to metal interactions between the diodes and anything secreted.

Honestly the colors may be only from cleaning your feet. I can't imagine the quantity of organisms and chemicals that are trapped in our callouses and underneath your toenails. But it did have an energizing effect on me.
In a few weeks I may get another treatment done and see if I have the same effects as previously mentioned. I will try to post back here.

The reason I thought my post may be important was because it added a spiritual energy component (perhaps bio-energetic) that had not really been previously spoken of and that I did not expect any results.

Thanks for sharing your experience.

I'm not sure what other effects the baths may have on a person. I do hear from a percentage of people that they do feel better after having a foot bath. Of course, I consider the possibility that it may be the mineral drink they give you when you have the bath.

Nevertheless, it would be interesting to see some more tests done to see if there is something going on or not.

Our conclusion in our tests were only that no significant heavy metals came out. Hope we can find out one day what is at the bottom of this. I would do more tests but they are time-consuming and the labs tests add up.

Thanks.

Here is a link to our tests in case anyone has missed them:
http://herballure.com/Studies/IonicFootSpa.html

I work at a natural health clinic, and the flecks and discoloration are simply a reaction of the water with your sweat causing a chemical reaction with the metal (zinc) rings on the unit. Some of the newer units (not as popular) do the detox foot bath without the disgusting residue from the zinc rings decomposing. Look for a practitioner with an ionic foot cleansing unit or a newer befe. The color is just a selling point to help make you more psychologically hooked on the footbaths, wanting to come in more and more. Another thing practitioners like to do is to over-emphasize the "smell" after the footbath to help you feel like you had a really good cleansing session. I do not doubt that they are helpful, and believe that they are very therapeutic. But please don't let these natural health care practitioners let you think you are getting more from the footbath than you really are. I have to clean sinks after the footbaths, and the colors on the zinc ring perfectly match the stains on the sink, and spraying/disinfecting the unit causes flakes (browns/blacks) to fall off. The color and amount of sediment is due to the amount of salt (or other chemical) put in the water, and how many footbaths the rings have been through along with the electricity being pumped into the water.

happy health.

Hi, I am new to this forum. Right up front let me tell you that I own a "high quality" ionic footbath and have done a total of around 800 footbaths. 400 or so between my wife and I and the rest on others. Full disclosure: I have sold a number of units as a distributor just to let you know. No advertising, I promise. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Maybe I can shed a little light on my and my manufacture's take on the water colors.
I do not for a minute think that the color of the water has much to say about who is in it. If a person affects the color, then it's way down the line of probabilities. I will say that almost all the time, when someone takes a footbath, there is usually a chlorine or a yeast or even a combination of the two smells. I know what your thinking. I have run the footbath many times without anyone in it, and without fail, I cannot smell either smell. A few times with other people, the smell has been so strong, I almost can't stomach it.
Many people after getting a footbath from us have reported significant energy improvement for the next few days. I had one gentleman that 3 months before I saw him had his foot crushed with 3000lbs of roof truses. He had a large open wound under his foot and a half dollar size open wound on the end of his heel. When they took off his bandage off the heel, blood started dripping out at around 1 drop or better per second. His foot was dying and every week the doc would have to scrape out dead tissue and infection from the wounds. Also, when I went to their house to give them a footbath, I observed that from about 8" below his knee all the way to the tip of his toes it was a very dark purple! I then gave him a footbath and he noticed nothing too unusual. After I cleaned up the bath and put it away, I turned around to face him. His girlfriend had bandaged him up and put him back in his hospital bed (in his living room). I took one look at his bad foot and gasped. All I could see that was not bandaged was his 5 toes and they were exactly the same healthy color as his good foot! Needless to say, they bought a footbath from me and he used it every day for maybe 1 1/2 months and then tried going every other day. Well, several days after the first bath, he went into the doc and the doc was totally amazed. There was no dead tissue or infection to scrape out! In fact, he no longer had to scrape anything out and after a week or two, new tissue started forming inside the wounds. After 2 or more months (not sure exactly) the wounds had totally closed and they were scheduling physical therapy for him! He is now done with therapy and except for a minor limip, he is totally healed! Oh, I forgot to mention that they only called me after the second time the doc insisted that he needed to have his foot amputated!
I do have a number of amazing stories plus stories of our manufacture. But I can say one thing. That is testing and studies are helpful of course, but nobody will tell that man who almost lost his foot that ionic footbaths are a scam. Also, I should mention that even though I encouraged them to suppliment their minerals, they didn't really do much to my knowledge. Unfortunately, even though I tell people that, they still seem to get good results without taking more minerals. Of course they should suppliment, but I really don't think that the benefit only comes from taking more minerals. Too much experience for me to go along with that line of reasoning.
Also, I don't sell the Q2, but Terry Skrinjar is the original inventor of the concept itself and designed the Q2. There is a website that contains many studies, as that site has the most solid evidence (studies) of any site on the web. But one page in particular has a study that showed the body was releasing heavy metals into the footbath water. It's at this site:
http://webdeb.com/q-machine/testimonial.htm
Just look down to the lower left and click on "other anedotal reports." There is a wealth of useful information on that site (webdeb.com) for those of you that want solid information. I do know that they used the Q2 for their heavy metal experiments which is generally considered among the best machines out there today.
One other comment. I did learn from those people that most of the detoxing taking place is not happening while in the footbath. Most of it is taking place in the next 2 or 3 days after through the normal elimination channels your body uses.
Hope this helps.

Hey Jerry,

Thanks for the info.

I have heard from some people that they do experience benefits from the baths. Others say they don't notice any difference. Of course that's all subjective.

When we did our tests, we were looking to manufacture our own model of foot spa for the purpose of heavy metal removal. Unfortunately, the model we tested showed no significant heavy metal removal. This was disappointing to say the least because I was told by a representative from the company that manufactures the product we tested that it did in fact remove heavy metals and that there were test results demonstrating this on their website. I searched their website and found no tests about heavy metals at all.

Unfortunately, people were purchasing units (at this convention where I was told this) on faith and with no chance to verify the claims of heavy metal tests before they purchased. People were also being told that the ugly stuff in the water was stuff coming out of their body. We now know this is simply not true.

So, my main concern about foot baths is not about the foot baths themselves. It is about casting a bad light on alternative health methods when false claims are made.

I'm a sold believer in freedom so if something works for someone, people should have the right to do it. I just don't want to see ammunition given to the opposition of alternative health practices because some people make unsubstantiated claims. That hurts all of us.

Perhaps one day, we'll get to the bottom of what benefit they provide, until then, people should be free to choose whether or not they want to put their money into this type of therapy.

I was unable to find anything relating to heavy metal tests and foot spas on the page you linked to. I would love it if you could provide a direct link to the page talking about this. I would like to look deeper into this.

Many thanks.

Rus, I just want to say that I appreciate your openminded attitude about ionic footbaths. There unfortunately are too many that are not .
First, if you click on this link that I gave, you need to click on the lower left area of the page that says "...other anedotal reports." Then after clicking on that, scroll down past the three testimonies and you should be there. I wish there were more info, but that was the first report on heavy metals I had seen.
I would put a direct link, but after you click on the link and click on "other antedotal reports" another window opens up and the link is not copyable.
I would wish that some of the people I have read on this site that say they did a footbath or two and didn't see any results, would realize one principle. That is, that we have found that your body in it's intelligence will prioritize what it wants to work on. Sometimes our idea of what we expect isn't the same as something the body has deemed more important. In our experience, if a person will stay with it for a while, they will start to see benefit in a meaningful way.
And of course, if someone is getting benefit the economics of it might call for consideration of just buying a unit. Much cheaper in the long run.
Finally, I can not vouch for the many units out there. In fact, I am suspect of many of the cheaper quality units. I will not mention the unit I sell, but from my knowledge and experience, I am convinced it is on par with the original Q2 unit, but considerable less expensive. So, I can only speak of the footbath I use and sell.
I agree with you Rus that I am deeply saddened with marketers that will use the changing of water color as a marketing tool. They lead people to believe that it is toxins coming out. Or telling them the color speaks to different parts of the body being worked on. That all angers me, because it does cast a poor light on the good that the footbaths can do.
Thanks again for your great attitude Rus. You sound like a guy I would enjoy getting to know.

I had my first ion foot bath last weekend and had several questions I would like answered.

1. Have any of you who have the machines, set things up, put inthe salts (or whatever is used) and then left it alone for 30 minutes to see what color the water changes to? I've been told the water changes to brown whether your feet are in it or not. Would love to know the difference in the color.

2. Why the feet and not the hands? Can you do a hands bath? Would that pull more toxins from the upper body than the feet bath? How can the toxins be pulled from the feet when the soles seem so callused, and not supple?

3. Could you alternate between foot bath and hand bath?

4. How young a person can have one of these baths, and how long would it be for a little 5 year old with swollen lymph nodes in the neck?

Any answers would be appreciated. You can email them to <warneki@aol.com> I'll also look back here. Thanks much. Diane

Hi Diane,

Hope I can help w./ the questions.

(1) I have done several footbaths without anybody in it. My primary reason was to check any smells coming off the water. I have NEVER had any odor other then what you might be able to pick up with tap water. When a person is in the bath, most of the time, we will smell either chlorine or a sweet smell of yeast. Both my wife and I had a reduction of smell as we did quite a few footbaths earlier on. Most new people will have a much stronger smell the first several times they go in.
As far as the water color is concerned, the water will turn the same color as when people are in it. Change of seasons and many other factors will affect the water color. But very rarely did I feel that people affect the color change.

(2) You can use the hands for a footbath, as both the hands and feet are major detox points of the body, but the bottoms of the feet have around 2000 pores each and are 8 times as large as any other pores in the body. As far as calluses and hardened soles, when you put your feet in warm water, the pores will open up. I read a report of a lab tech person who is involved in production of the Q2 footbath in Austrailia was bitten on the arm by a pretty bad spider. He immediatly put his arm into a footbath, and after the bath was over, the swelling had gone way down. I say that to illustrate that with an injury, it wouldn't hurt to directly put that part of your body right in the water.
But what else is happening is that every cell in your body is receiving a charge on the outer part of the cell. This enables the cell to work more efficiently. The sodium/potassium pump improves its funtion which is where the increase in energy comes from. The metabolism waste of each cell is discarded out of the cell and into the lymph much easier which is the detox part. The blood cells under live blood cell microscope improve markedly. I have heard several professionals speak very positively of the improvements. The most striking benefits occur over a 6 month time with regular treatments. That's why, if you are receiving benefit over several baths, you might look into purchasing one for yourself. Much cheaper in the long run.

(3) There is no real need to alternate between foot and hand baths. If I had an injury to my hand or arm, I would put that part into the bath, but after it's healed, I would just stay with the feet in the bath.

(4) This is from a chart from my company for usage times based on age.

4 to 7 years old 10 to 15 minutes
8 to 12 years old 15 to 20 minutes
13 to 17 years old 20 to 35 minutes
18 and older 20 to 35 minutes

Over the course of at least 200 baths for myself, only a few times did I feel restless while in the water. I just felt like I wanted to get out, which was my body telling me that I had had enough at that point. My point is listen to your body and it will tell you. After I had done many baths, I just felt like I didn't want a bath for a while. Again, my body was telling me to take a rest. After a while, I just wanted to take a bath again which my body was communicating to me as well.
As far as your 5 year old with swollen lymph glands, I think in my experience, that it would be well worth doing a few footbaths. Just don't overdo it with too long a time and I would wait at least a couple of days between baths. When you have a condition that you are hoping to change with the footbath, you need to hit the footbath a little more aggresive than if you were just on a maintence schedule.

Please feel free to email me if you wish at
[email]jerryiverson1@yahoo.com.[/email]
Hope this helps,
Jerry

My humble apologies w/ the 3 identical posts. It's a long story, but if you can take out the first 2 Rus, I would appreciate it.
Thanks,
Jerry

I can answer your first question about the water changing color with no feet in it.

See figure 8 and 11 for a comparison. I can tell you that I personally conducted these tests and there was virtually no difference.

http://herballure.com/Studies/IonicFootSpa.html#EventPhotos

Hello everyone, I hope I'm able to contribute to your conversation. I've research the various ionic detox foot baths and discovered that not all units are equal - some have different types of arrays, some have limited programmability and power, some are just plain junk. The copper arrays are likely what you encountered, Russ, and I believe there's controvery around possible toxicity with those units. Other newer units have stainless steel or plastic arrays.

I also found European research that found in a 20-patient controlled study, several high percentages of improvements for conditions such as eczema, psoriasis, 100% for leg edoemas. I hope it's all legit.

Mine is a 2007 model from a reputable supplier, apparalhut, on E-Bay. The machine has 5 programs and the ability to customize the + and - ions for unique needs. I intend to try my own empirical study. I'll try to find this forum and provide input in a week or so.

Until then, to your good health, all of you!
Cindy

I basically look at it this way:

The body responds (or doesn't) to the electricity that it is exposed to, regardless of the type of electrodes.

Now, where the electrodes might make a difference is when they leach metals into the water; Perhaps then the metal in the water might be absorbed to some degree or even effect the conductivity of the water changing the amount of electricity that the body is exposed to.

The other thing to consider is the amount of electricity (voltage) and I would wonder if the shape of the waveform would make a difference as well. These would all be interesting things to study.

Nevertheless, I personally am concerned about exposing my body to that kind of voltage (at very unnatural levels) until we have some long term information about the effect it has on the body.

We did measure heavy metals and showed nothing significant. We didn't do live cell analysis. I've seen websites with live cell analysis before and after a foot bath, but I also know enough to know that live cell analysis are easily faked by how you take the sample and how you treat the sample before viewing. It's very easy to do.

So, ultimately, I'd love to see some truly independent studies about this. I'm not a disbeliever, just a healthy skeptic.

May be somebody should just precisely weigh the water in the bucket before and after a foot spa session. That way we can tell how much matter is indeed coming out from the feet.

The only problem with that is your feet are likely to sweat and bits of dead skin are lkely to fall off, changing the water's weight.

The best way to discover if these foot baths work is not by conducting studies, it is my getting sick people to use these baths over a sufficent amount of time and see if positive effects take place.

My mother told me a story of a friend of hers who did quite a few ionic foot baths and now looks better and he says he feels better. Who knows for sure but I generally put a lot of faith in success stories.

According to what I read, the negative ion is extracting the positive ion from the body via some form of interaction. That is the basis of how it works. Does that sound like a real science? It wouldn't be too difficult to confirm that theory, or disprove it. May be somebody should just wrap the module with coffee filter or some kinda filter to see what happen? This is the job for the Myth Busters.

Haha mythbusters, good one.

I'm a science major, I take chem and biology and all that. I find its one of those things that the more you learn the more you realize there is that you don't know. My experience with being sick is that there is no proof like seeing a sick person get better.

With all of that said, I think it works on the same principle as magnetic clay, that is, the negatively charged ions bind to the positively charged ions (Hg++). That is, if it does work at all. Magnetic clay baths and foot baths are cheaper and I have more faith in them, I think they are working for me. Try the clay out!!!

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Hello,

I am looking into purchasing the Q2 machine, but as you know the device is not inexpensive. I am very ill and would like to know about the device you mentioned that is as on par with the Q2. Can you provide a link or name of the device.

Your posts have been very informative. Thanks so much!

In case anybody is interested I tried a ionic foot bath the other night (first one ever). A friend of my mother's had one of these machines and she let me do it for free. I didn't expect the water to do much since I have been doing clay baths for 2 months now but the woman who owned the bath was quite suprised by what was comming out of my feet. She has let several people use these baths and mine was pretty unique in that it yielded an abundance of foamy, golden grossness.

Hi Colin,

Thanks for posting.

I just though I'd make you aware of this information in case it's helpful. We don't come to any hard conclusions except concerning heavy metals.

Thanks.

Link...

http://herballure.com/Studies/IonicFootSpa.html

Had my first experience with foot bath yesterday. I'm not sure if it had any effect on me but I was really sleepy and weak after the session ended. Is this normal?

Not sure if I want to do it again.

I was interested in these detox foot baths after hearing about them from a coworker. But when it came to her description of the black flakes in the bottom of the water after the session was complete...I realized that my facial steamer that I also use just to put moisture back in to the air at home...produces these exact same flakes and a greyish bown tint to the water. All it uses is tap water and a pinch of table salt. The water in my area is very hard. In no way do I believe that these flakes are coming out of any ones bodies at that size or recoalescing into the flakes.

I always feel better after a foot bath...who wouldn't? Also agree with Russ that those who take the mineral supplements could also be experiencing positive effects from these even more so than any lasting effects of a glorified foot bath.

If you enjoy them, by all means continue...
Just beware of claims that can not be substantiated. Tests that are conducted by parties who will profit from their results. And anything that sounds to good to be true, because it usually is. There are still plenty of charlatans even in this day and age and they are as savvy as ever in pulling in those who are wanting to believe they have found the cure for what ails them.

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