A lot has sure happened here since I last posted. Well, there's too much to respond to thoroughly, but I do want to add a little.

Thanks for the pictures. They are pretty cool.

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The only thing that I have time to respond to right now are the posts about gods and wicca.

There is much fascinating information in the Bible that talks about religions. The Bible also states that there are other gods...


"For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him."

—1 Corinthians 8:5-6


When you study the very interesting area in the Bible about the fallen angels and the nephilim (Gen 6), you learn that one of the main themes of the Bible—and a theme that few speak about often—are the lessor gods, i.e. fallen angels.

In a nutshell, Yahweh made for himself a people. He wished to make a covenant with these people. These people largely rejected Him. He then opened His covenant to all people. This entire concept is outlined in this parable:


"And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said, The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son, And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come. Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage. But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise: And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them. But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city. Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy. Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage. So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests. And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. For many are called, but few are chosen."

—Matthew 22:1-14


Of course, this entire course of events was by design, but I'll save that for another time.

Now of these people, some will follow Yahweh but others will follow other gods, which are the fallen angels:


"I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes. Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations."

—Psalms 82:6-8


Notice the lower-case "g" in "gods". Also note that these are specified as "children of the most High". These shall die like men.

When you study this stuff, you realize that the Biblical definitions of a god is an eternal being, someone that never dies, however, this verse is noting something that has changed, namely, that the these eternal beings, these "gods", shall die like men.

Moving along, you will note that we are not to entangle ourselves with what God calls doctrines of demons.


"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth."

—1 Timothy 4:1-3


Some of these doctrines are very seductive a very intelligently written so as to appeal to the soul and are written specifically to divert our relationship away from the Yahweh, the God of the Bible.

Many of these doctrines are derived either directly or indirectly from gnostic (meaning knowledge) sources and in most cases offer a "type" of salvation through knowledge. However, the God of the Bible has created a salvation by faith.

You will find that all of these old doctrines are alive and well today. These doctrines are just another trap that is set for those who choose a belief system from a buffet rather than searching for truth by intellect and evidence. We have to remember that God provides an abundance of evidence on which to build our faith.

Heiser calls the gnostic texts "watcher theology", as "watcher" is a term used of a type of the fallen angels. These are texts that diverged from the Christian texts and simply made the bad guys—namely the fallen angels—out to be the good guys. I believe Heiser is right on in his teaching on this. He's certainly done his homework.

I would encourage anybody who bases their faith (either directly or indirectly) on gnostic texts do some deeper study and find out who is really behind these sources of information. It's not hard to do since the pride of these beings often compels them to give you their names. Research both these sources and names carefully and you will find some very interesting problems and you may just discover that the Bible is accurate once again.


"Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:"

—Colossians 1:13-22


Michael Heiser: The Sons of God


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