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Re: abiogenesis science?
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03/20/08 12:57 PM
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I noticed something about abiogenesis: There's no testable hypothesis for it. At first, I tried to concoct one and failed, then I googled for it and after reading quite a few links I'm satisfied that nobody else has done any better.
Now if ID and CS must be classed as unscientific because some of the historical events they accept aren't testable, evolutionism is in no better shape. Please describe what a testable hypothesis is according to you. You seem to believe that "evolutionism" requires that abiogenesis happened. Since I don't know what "evolutionism" includes, since that word is not in any dictionary or science book, I cannot say that you are wrong. However, the Theory of Evolution does not require abiogenesis. Be that as it may, please check out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_lifeYou will find a number of hypotheses on how life may have formed within the physical laws that govern our universe. The emphasis is on "may". Even if eventual experimentation shows that every one of those methods can form life, we still would not know which one it was, if it was any of those because we weren't there. Showing that a particular hypothesis for abiogenesis is possible, only increases support for the idea that abiogenesis did happen, somehow. I have some thoughts on the limits of scientifically examining history, and they probably belong in another topic. First, I'll wait & see if the local evolutionists can agree that abiogenesis is untestable... If by untestable you mean can we test that a particular method of abiogenesis occurred 3.5 billion years ago, then it is untestable. However the method is not untestable. The questions concerning abiogenesis are along the lines of..."Could iron sulfides have formed some of the energy transfer pathways necessary to initiate a form of lifelike compounds? Tests can be done to see if that is a possibility. So the methods that are hypothesized can be tested and can fail those tests (falsifiable).
A faith that connot survive collision with the truth is not worth many regrets. -- Arthur C. Clarke
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What Exacty is Abiogenesis?
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Russ
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12/14/07 01:25 AM
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Re: Yes, What Exacty is Abiogenesis?
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RAZD
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12/15/07 03:51 PM
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Re: Yes, What Exacty is Abiogenesis?
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Kitsune
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12/15/07 05:53 PM
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Re: Yes, What Exacty is Abiogenesis?
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RAZD
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12/15/07 06:25 PM
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Re: Yes, What Exacty is Abiogenesis?
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Kitsune
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12/15/07 09:00 PM
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Re: Yes, What Exacty is Abiogenesis?
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RAZD
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12/15/07 10:38 PM
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Re: Yes, What Exacty is Abiogenesis?
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Kitsune
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12/15/07 11:03 PM
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Honesty Is the Best Policy
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Russ
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12/21/07 05:54 PM
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Dealing with reality, a soup to nuts approach.
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RAZD
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12/21/07 07:03 PM
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Re: Dealing with reality, a soup to nuts approach.
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SoSick
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12/21/07 09:07 PM
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Re: Dealing with reality, a soup to nuts approach.
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Pwcca
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12/21/07 10:47 PM
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Re: Dealing with reality, a soup to nuts approach.
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SoSick
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12/21/07 11:00 PM
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Re: Dealing with reality, a soup to nuts approach.
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Pwcca
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12/21/07 11:09 PM
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Re: Dealing with reality, a soup to nuts approach.
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SoSick
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12/21/07 11:15 PM
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Re: Dealing with reality, a soup to nuts approach.
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Pwcca
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12/21/07 11:58 PM
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Re: Dealing with reality, a soup to nuts approach.
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SoSick
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12/22/07 12:03 AM
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Re: Dealing with reality, a soup to nuts approach.
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SoSick
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12/22/07 06:01 PM
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Re: Dealing with reality, a soup to nuts approach.
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Pwcca
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12/22/07 10:35 PM
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Re: Dealing with reality, a soup to nuts approach.
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SoSick
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12/23/07 03:31 AM
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Re: Dealing with reality, a soup to nuts approach: What's LIFE?
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RAZD
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01/06/08 09:29 PM
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Pssst: The masses are catching on.
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Russ
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01/21/08 02:01 AM
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Re: Pssst: The masses are catching on.
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LinearAq
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03/14/08 05:24 PM
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Trolling Warning
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Russ
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03/14/08 09:09 PM
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Re: Trolling Warning
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LinearAq
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03/14/08 09:35 PM
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Re: Trolling Warning
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SoSick
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03/15/08 03:13 AM
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Re: Trolling Warning
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Kitsune
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03/15/08 12:31 PM
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Re: Trolling Warning
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SoSick
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03/15/08 05:14 PM
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Re: Trolling Warning
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Kitsune
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03/15/08 05:52 PM
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Re: Trolling Warning
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Kitsune
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03/15/08 06:00 PM
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Trolling Warning: Thin Ice Ahead
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Russ
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03/16/08 01:01 AM
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Re: Trolling Warning: Thin Ice Ahead
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Kitsune
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03/16/08 07:39 AM
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Re: Trolling Warning: Thin Ice Ahead
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Laura Clement
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03/16/08 07:36 PM
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More quotes from Linda
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Bex
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03/17/08 05:07 AM
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Re: More quotes from Linda
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Bex
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03/17/08 07:26 AM
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Re: More quotes from Linda
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Pwcca
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03/17/08 07:52 AM
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Re: More quotes from Linda
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Bex
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03/17/08 10:59 AM
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Re: More quotes from Linda
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Kitsune
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03/17/08 09:52 PM
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Re: More quotes from Linda
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Bex
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03/18/08 01:31 AM
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Re: More quotes from Linda
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Kitsune
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03/18/08 07:56 AM
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Re: More quotes from Linda
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Bex
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03/18/08 09:50 AM
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Re: More quotes from Linda
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SoSick
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03/18/08 04:12 PM
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Re: Trolling Warning: Thin Ice Ahead
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Kitsune
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03/17/08 07:15 AM
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Re: Trolling Warning: Thin Ice Ahead
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SomedaySoon
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03/17/08 02:32 PM
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Re: Trolling Warning: Thin Ice Ahead
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Kitsune
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03/17/08 10:25 PM
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Re: Trolling Warning: Thin Ice Ahead
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SomedaySoon
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03/17/08 11:55 PM
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Re: Trolling Warning: Thin Ice Ahead
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Kitsune
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03/18/08 07:25 AM
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Re: Pssst: The masses are catching on.
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Bex
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03/17/08 11:32 AM
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Forward to the subject
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LinearAq
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03/17/08 01:57 PM
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Re: Forward to the subject
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Bex
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03/18/08 12:12 AM
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Re: Forward to the subject
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Kitsune
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03/18/08 05:56 PM
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Re: Forward to the subject
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SoSick
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03/18/08 06:07 PM
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Re: Forward to the subject
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Kitsune
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03/18/08 06:13 PM
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Re: Forward to the subject
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SoSick
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03/18/08 06:23 PM
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Disconnnected?
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CTD
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03/18/08 08:18 PM
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Evospeak
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CTD
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03/18/08 08:53 PM
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Re: Evospeak
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LinearAq
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03/18/08 09:11 PM
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Re: Evospeak
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Kitsune
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03/18/08 09:24 PM
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Re: Evospeak
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CTD
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03/19/08 07:49 AM
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Re: Evospeak
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LinearAq
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03/19/08 04:16 PM
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No snowjob
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CTD
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03/19/08 07:57 PM
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Re: No snowjob
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Kitsune
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03/19/08 09:12 PM
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Re: No snowjob
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CTD
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03/19/08 10:31 PM
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Re: No snowjob
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Kitsune
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03/20/08 03:24 PM
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Re: No snowjob
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CTD
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03/20/08 07:32 PM
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Re: No snowjob
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Kitsune
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03/20/08 09:28 PM
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More
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CTD
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03/21/08 01:34 AM
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Re: More
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Kitsune
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03/21/08 08:15 AM
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Re: More
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CTD
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03/21/08 11:57 PM
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Re: More
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CTD
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03/24/08 01:20 PM
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Re: More
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CTD
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01/07/09 07:39 AM
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Re: More
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LinearAq
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01/07/09 01:47 PM
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Re: More
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CTD
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01/07/09 07:01 PM
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Re: More
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LinearAq
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01/07/09 09:04 PM
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Re: More
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Russ
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01/07/09 10:58 PM
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Re: More
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LinearAq
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01/08/09 04:16 PM
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Re: More
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CTD
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01/08/09 05:14 PM
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Re: More
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LinearAq
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01/08/09 06:02 PM
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Re: More
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CTD
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01/08/09 06:59 PM
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Re: More
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LinearAq
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01/08/09 07:20 PM
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Re: More
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Russ
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01/08/09 10:46 PM
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Re: More
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LinearAq
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01/09/09 02:52 PM
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Re: More
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CTD
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01/09/09 07:28 PM
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Re: More
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LinearAq
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01/09/09 08:00 PM
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Re: More
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CTD
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01/09/09 09:36 PM
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Re: More
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LinearAq
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01/11/09 03:31 PM
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Re: More
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CTD
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01/12/09 05:20 AM
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Rules, Rules, Rules
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Russ
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01/12/09 07:40 AM
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Re: More
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LinearAq
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01/12/09 12:21 PM
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Re: More
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Russ
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01/12/09 11:50 PM
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Re: More
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LinearAq
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01/13/09 02:19 PM
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Re: More
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Bex
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01/13/09 07:21 PM
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Re: More
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Mordecai
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01/13/09 08:08 PM
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Re: More
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Bex
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01/13/09 09:16 PM
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Re: More
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Lynnmn
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01/14/09 01:37 AM
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Re: More
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Russ
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01/14/09 06:47 AM
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Re: More
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LinearAq
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01/14/09 03:28 PM
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An Affront to Science
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Russ
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01/14/09 10:06 PM
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Re: An Affront to Science
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LinearAq
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01/15/09 01:11 PM
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Re: More
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Bex
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01/14/09 06:51 AM
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Re: More
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CTD
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01/14/09 09:04 AM
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Re: More
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LinearAq
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01/14/09 03:16 PM
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Re: More
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CTD
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01/15/09 10:46 AM
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Re: More
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LinearAq
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01/15/09 04:10 PM
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Re: More
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LinearAq
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01/15/09 05:54 PM
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Re: More
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Abigail
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01/15/09 08:20 PM
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Re: More
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LinearAq
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01/15/09 08:58 PM
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Re: More
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Bex
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01/16/09 11:59 PM
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Re: More
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LinearAq
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01/20/09 01:56 PM
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Re: More
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Bex
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01/20/09 09:46 PM
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Re: More
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LinearAq
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01/21/09 03:30 PM
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Re: More
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CTD
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01/21/09 11:12 PM
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Mob Mentality
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Russ
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01/22/09 12:02 AM
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Re: Mob Mentality
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LinearAq
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01/22/09 02:38 PM
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Re: Mob Mentality
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Russ
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01/23/09 03:41 PM
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Re: Mob Mentality
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LinearAq
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01/23/09 04:35 PM
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How Reliable
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Russ
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01/23/09 10:02 PM
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Re: How Reliable
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LinearAq
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01/26/09 03:58 PM
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Re: How Reliable
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Russ
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01/29/09 12:00 AM
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Re: How Reliable
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LinearAq
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01/29/09 01:35 PM
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Re: How Reliable
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Russ
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01/29/09 10:53 PM
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Re: How Reliable
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LinearAq
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02/02/09 12:34 PM
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Re: How Reliable
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Russ
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02/03/09 07:07 AM
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Re: How Reliable
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LinearAq
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02/03/09 04:13 PM
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Re: How Reliable
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Russ
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02/04/09 04:51 AM
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Re: How Reliable
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LinearAq
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02/05/09 12:34 PM
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Re: How Reliable
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Russ
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02/05/09 10:00 PM
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Re: How Reliable
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LinearAq
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02/06/09 03:56 PM
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Re: How Reliable
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Russ
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02/06/09 09:50 PM
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Re: How Reliable
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LinearAq
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02/09/09 01:14 PM
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What Was The Question Again?
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Russ
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02/10/09 08:07 AM
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Re: What Was The Question Again?
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LinearAq
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02/10/09 01:12 PM
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Re: What Was The Question Again?
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Russ
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02/11/09 01:37 AM
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Re: What Was The Question Again?
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LinearAq
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02/11/09 06:58 PM
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Re: What Was The Question Again?
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Kitsune
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02/11/09 07:22 PM
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Re: What Was The Question Again?
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Russ
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02/12/09 02:02 AM
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Re: What Was The Question Again?
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Russ
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03/24/09 07:19 AM
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Re: What Was The Question Again?
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Russ
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03/24/09 07:20 AM
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The more we discover....
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CTD
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04/08/09 10:54 PM
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Re: What Was The Question Again?
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Russ
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02/12/09 01:51 AM
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Re: More
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LinearAq
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01/22/09 02:21 PM
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Re: More
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Bex
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01/24/09 03:57 AM
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Re: More
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CTD
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01/24/09 06:48 AM
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Re: More
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Bex
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01/24/09 07:41 AM
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Re: More
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CTD
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01/24/09 03:08 PM
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Misunderstanding
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LinearAq
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01/26/09 03:27 PM
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Re: Misunderstanding
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Bex
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01/31/09 06:05 AM
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Re: Misunderstanding
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LinearAq
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02/02/09 05:32 PM
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Re: More
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CTD
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01/15/09 09:10 PM
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Re: More
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Bex
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01/17/09 03:31 AM
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Re: More
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CTD
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01/15/09 08:50 PM
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Re: More
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Bex
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01/15/09 12:22 PM
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Re: More
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CTD
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01/15/09 01:09 PM
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Re: More
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CTD
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01/15/09 01:50 PM
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Re: More
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CTD
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01/20/09 07:21 AM
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Re: More
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LinearAq
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01/20/09 02:02 PM
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Re: No snowjob
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LinearAq
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03/20/08 12:56 PM
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Re: No snowjob
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CTD
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03/20/08 07:06 PM
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Re: No snowjob
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LinearAq
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03/21/08 12:39 PM
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Good Friday ----- Sunday
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LinearAq
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03/21/08 08:48 PM
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Re: Good Friday ----- Sunday
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Bex
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03/21/08 10:38 PM
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Re: Disconnnected?
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Kitsune
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03/18/08 09:07 PM
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Re: Disconnnected?
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CTD
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03/19/08 11:45 AM
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Quote Mining Yet Again
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Kitsune
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03/19/08 02:17 PM
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Re: Disconnnected?
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Kitsune
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03/19/08 02:50 PM
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Horsefeathers
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Kitsune
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03/19/08 04:19 PM
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Re: Disconnnected?
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CTD
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03/19/08 06:11 PM
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Re: Disconnnected?
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SoSick
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03/19/08 06:43 PM
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Re: Disconnnected?
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SoSick
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03/19/08 06:55 PM
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Re: Disconnnected?
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CTD
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03/20/08 12:03 AM
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Re: Disconnnected?
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SoSick
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03/20/08 01:48 AM
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RE: Disconnection and brainwash
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SoSick
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03/20/08 03:10 AM
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Re: RE: Disconnection and brainwash
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SoSick
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03/20/08 05:21 AM
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Re: Disconnnected?
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Kitsune
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03/19/08 07:04 PM
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Re: Disconnnected?
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SoSick
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03/19/08 07:17 PM
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Re: Disconnnected?
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Kitsune
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03/19/08 07:38 PM
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Re: Disconnnected?
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CTD
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03/19/08 09:23 PM
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Re: Disconnnected?
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Kitsune
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03/19/08 09:56 PM
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Re: Disconnnected?
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LinearAq
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03/19/08 07:54 PM
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Re: Disconnnected?
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SoSick
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03/19/08 08:23 PM
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Evidence
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Kitsune
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03/19/08 09:03 PM
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Re: Evidence
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SoSick
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03/19/08 09:17 PM
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Re: Evidence
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LinearAq
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03/20/08 02:46 PM
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Re: Evidence
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Kitsune
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03/20/08 04:28 PM
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Re: Evidence
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CTD
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03/19/08 11:27 PM
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Re: Evidence
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Kitsune
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03/20/08 04:00 PM
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Re: Evidence
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CTD
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03/20/08 10:04 PM
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Re: Evidence
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Kitsune
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03/20/08 11:00 PM
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Re: Evidence
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CTD
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03/21/08 05:46 AM
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Re: Evidence
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Kitsune
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03/21/08 08:57 AM
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Re: Evidence
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CTD
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03/22/08 01:09 AM
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Re: Disconnnected?
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LinearAq
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03/20/08 12:25 PM
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Re: Disconnnected?
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CTD
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03/19/08 08:58 PM
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Re: Disconnnected?
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Kitsune
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03/19/08 09:54 PM
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Re: Disconnnected?
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CTD
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03/20/08 01:45 AM
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Re: Disconnnected?
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Kitsune
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03/20/08 07:15 AM
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Re: Disconnnected?
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Kitsune
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03/20/08 04:26 PM
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Re: Disconnnected?
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CTD
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03/20/08 08:29 PM
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Re: Disconnnected?
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Kitsune
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03/20/08 09:48 PM
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Doubletalkin' Dicky-D
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CTD
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04/28/08 07:06 AM
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A simple video of prebiotic mechanisms
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RAZD
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07/14/08 01:20 AM
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My boo-boo
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CTD
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03/20/08 02:02 PM
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Religious freedom must be maintained.
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LinearAq
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03/18/08 09:01 PM
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Re: Religious freedom must be maintained.
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SoSick
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03/18/08 11:46 PM
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Re: Religious freedom must be maintained.
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LinearAq
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03/19/08 04:31 PM
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Re: Religious freedom must be maintained.
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SoSick
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03/19/08 05:13 PM
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Re: Religious freedom must be maintained.
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LinearAq
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03/19/08 06:06 PM
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Re: Forward to the subject
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LinearAq
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03/18/08 07:51 PM
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Re: Forward to the subject
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Bex
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03/18/08 08:16 AM
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Re: Forward to the subject
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Kitsune
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03/18/08 05:06 PM
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Re: Forward to the subject
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SoSick
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03/18/08 05:43 PM
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Re: Forward to the subject
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Kitsune
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03/18/08 06:12 PM
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Re: Forward to the subject
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Bex
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03/19/08 07:06 AM
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Re: Forward to the subject
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Kitsune
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03/19/08 02:37 PM
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Re: Forward to the subject
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LinearAq
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03/18/08 08:16 PM
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Re: Forward to the subject
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Bex
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03/19/08 08:29 AM
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Re: Forward to the subject
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LinearAq
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03/19/08 05:57 PM
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Russ posts replies on other threads?
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RAZD
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01/19/08 11:31 PM
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Re: Honesty Is the Best Policy
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CTD
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03/16/08 10:14 AM
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Abiogenesis
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Kitsune
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03/16/08 12:51 PM
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Re: Abiogenesis
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CTD
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03/17/08 10:07 AM
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abiogenesis science?
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CTD
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03/20/08 03:17 PM
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Re: abiogenesis science?
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Kitsune
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03/20/08 04:38 PM
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Re: abiogenesis science?
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LinearAq
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03/20/08 04:57 PM
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Re: abiogenesis science?
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CTD
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03/20/08 09:59 PM
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Re: abiogenesis science?
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LinearAq
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03/21/08 11:37 AM
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Re: abiogenesis science?
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CTD
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03/21/08 08:55 PM
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Re: abiogenesis science?
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LinearAq
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03/21/08 09:39 PM
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Re: abiogenesis science?
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CTD
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03/22/08 04:05 AM
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Re: abiogenesis science?
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Kitsune
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03/22/08 07:32 AM
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Re: abiogenesis science?
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LinearAq
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03/22/08 01:47 PM
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Re: abiogenesis science?
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CTD
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03/22/08 08:15 PM
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history coverup
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SoSick
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03/23/08 05:34 AM
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Re: history coverup
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CTD
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03/23/08 12:20 PM
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Re: history coverup
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SoSick
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03/23/08 03:24 PM
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Re: history coverup
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Kitsune
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03/24/08 07:19 AM
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Re: history coverup
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CTD
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03/24/08 09:50 AM
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Re: abiogenesis science?
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LinearAq
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03/25/08 03:55 PM
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Re: abiogenesis science?
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CTD
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03/25/08 05:09 PM
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Re: abiogenesis science?
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LinearAq
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03/25/08 08:40 PM
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Re: abiogenesis science?
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CTD
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03/26/08 06:49 AM
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Re: abiogenesis science?
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Kitsune
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03/26/08 08:11 AM
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Re: abiogenesis science?
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LinearAq
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03/26/08 01:39 PM
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Re: abiogenesis science?
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CTD
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03/27/08 06:47 AM
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More nails for coffins
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CTD
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04/16/08 01:57 AM
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I got dibs!
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CTD
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04/22/08 04:11 AM
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Re: What Exacty is Abiogenesis?
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CTD
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02/01/09 07:50 AM
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Re: What Exacty is Abiogenesis?
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CTD
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09/02/09 08:44 AM
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Re: What Exacty is Abiogenesis?
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CTD
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01/09/10 01:38 AM
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Re: What Exacty is Abiogenesis?
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CTD
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03/10/10 06:03 AM
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Re: What Exacty is Abiogenesis?
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CTD
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04/26/11 04:36 AM
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