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A Well Aged Earth
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12/19/07 03:58 PM
12/19/07 03:58 PM
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We can take it in simple, easy to understand steps. With replies and rebuttals on each piece of evidence. We'll start by looking at the methodology of counting annual layers in several different systems, comparing correlations between them, and building up the minimum necessary age of the earth as we go. First up is the " Methuselah Tree": Methuselah (estimated germination 2832 BC) is a Great Basin Bristlecone Pine (Pinus longaeva) in the White Mountains of California, which was 4,789 years old when sampled in 1957 when the trees were originally being surveyed by Schulman and Harlan. It is the oldest living organism currently known and documented, and still alive, at the age of about 4,838 years old.[1][2] It is named after Methuselah, a Biblical figure reputed to have lived 969 years. Located in the "Forest of Ancients" in the Methuselah Grove at between 2,900–3,000 m above sea level, its exact location is currently undisclosed to the public as a protection against vandalism;[3] the coordinates cited here refer to the Methuselah Grove Visitor Center. (Wikipedia, 2007) (bold added for empHAsis) This age is determined by counting the tree rings from bored core samples taken by Schulman in 1957. These cores are available for scientists ( dendrochronologists) to count and verify the results. Thus by this one tree alone the minimum age of the earth must be at least 4,839 years. Also, due to the nature of the evidence being a living tree this means there was no flood that covered this area during that time. Any Comment so far? Enjoy. Note: [color:"green"]My time is limited, so I choose threads of particular interest to me, but I cannot guarantee a reply to all responses (particularly if they do not discuss the issue/s), and I expect other people to do the same. Thank you for your consideration.[/color]
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A Well Aged Earth
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RAZD
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12/19/07 07:58 PM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth
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SoSick
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12/19/07 11:39 PM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth, a second tree.
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RAZD
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12/20/07 01:19 AM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth, a second tree.
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SoSick
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12/20/07 02:28 PM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth, a second tree.
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Kitsune
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12/20/07 04:59 PM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth, a second tree.
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SoSick
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12/20/07 06:05 PM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth, a second tree.
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Pwcca
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12/21/07 12:02 AM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth, a second tree.
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SoSick
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12/21/07 01:50 AM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth, a second tree, and runaway creationism
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RAZD
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12/21/07 04:24 AM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth, a second tree, and runaway creationism
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SoSick
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12/21/07 05:32 AM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth, another tid-bit of information
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RAZD
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12/21/07 06:07 PM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth, another tid-bit of information
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SoSick
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12/21/07 09:01 PM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth, more trees, more correlations
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RAZD
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12/25/07 03:14 PM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth, more trees, more correlations
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SoSick
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12/27/07 04:21 AM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth, more trees, more correlations
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Kitsune
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12/31/07 08:28 AM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth, more trees, more correlations
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SoSick
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01/01/08 04:02 AM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth, more trees, more correlations
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Kitsune
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01/01/08 08:58 AM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth, more trees, more correlations
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SoSick
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01/01/08 06:33 PM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth, more trees, more correlations
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SoSick
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01/02/08 02:12 AM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth, more trees, more correlations
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Russ
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01/21/08 02:12 AM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth, more trees, more correlations
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RAZD
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01/21/08 02:47 AM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth, more trees, more correlations
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Russ
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01/21/08 09:27 AM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth, more trees, more correlations
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RAZD
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01/21/08 07:06 PM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth, more trees, more correlations
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SoSick
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01/22/08 03:21 AM
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More evidence for age -- Annual Lake Varves
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RAZD
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02/06/08 05:13 AM
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Re: More evidence for age -- Annual Lake Varves
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SoSick
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02/08/08 05:05 AM
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Re: More evidence for age -- Annual Lake Varves
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Pwcca
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02/08/08 07:57 PM
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Re: More evidence for age -- Annual Lake Varves
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SoSick
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02/08/08 08:51 PM
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Re: More evidence for age -- Annual Lake Varves
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SoSick
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02/08/08 09:13 PM
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Re: More evidence for age -- Annual Lake Varves and CO2
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RAZD
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02/09/08 06:13 AM
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Re: More evidence for age -- Annual Lake Varves and CO2
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SoSick
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02/12/08 09:39 PM
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Re: More evidence for age -- Annual Lake Varves and CO2
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RAZD
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02/13/08 03:39 AM
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Re: More evidence for age -- Annual Lake Varves and CO2
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SoSick
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02/13/08 05:09 AM
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Picking up where we left off -- another annual layer system
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RAZD
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05/05/08 02:28 AM
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just another "annual" layer fraud
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CTD
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05/05/08 08:57 AM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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Kitsune
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05/05/08 09:50 AM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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CTD
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05/05/08 09:18 PM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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CTD
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01/11/10 03:01 AM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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RAZD
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05/05/08 11:37 AM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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CTD
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05/05/08 09:42 PM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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SoSick
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05/06/08 12:04 AM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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CTD
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05/06/08 12:53 AM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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Kitsune
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05/06/08 07:02 AM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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CTD
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05/06/08 08:57 AM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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SoSick
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05/06/08 01:41 PM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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LinearAq
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05/06/08 03:10 PM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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SoSick
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05/06/08 04:23 PM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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SoSick
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05/06/08 05:07 PM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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Kitsune
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05/06/08 06:56 PM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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SoSick
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05/06/08 08:20 PM
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Steam Vents in Antarctica
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SoSick
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05/06/08 09:39 PM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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Kitsune
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05/07/08 06:10 AM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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CTD
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05/07/08 11:29 AM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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Kitsune
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05/07/08 01:40 PM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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CTD
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05/30/08 11:25 AM
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Re: just another "PRATT" (creationist fraud)
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RAZD
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05/30/08 10:33 PM
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Re: just another "PRATT" (creationist fraud)
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Kitsune
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05/31/08 05:47 AM
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Re: just another "PRATT" (creationist fraud)
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RAZD
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07/19/08 10:37 PM
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Re: just another "PRATT" (creationist fraud)
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Kitsune
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07/20/08 05:58 AM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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SoSick
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05/07/08 11:55 AM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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SoSick
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05/07/08 12:44 PM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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Kitsune
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05/07/08 01:50 PM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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SoSick
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05/07/08 03:32 PM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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SoSick
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05/07/08 03:53 PM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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SoSick
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05/07/08 05:55 PM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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LinearAq
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05/07/08 05:53 PM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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SoSick
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05/07/08 05:59 PM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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Kitsune
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05/07/08 07:36 PM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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SoSick
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05/07/08 08:25 PM
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Learn some science
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Kitsune
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05/08/08 06:11 AM
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Re: Learn some science
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Kitsune
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05/08/08 03:02 PM
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Re: Learn some science
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RAZD
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05/10/08 03:01 PM
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Re: Learn some science
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Kitsune
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05/10/08 04:16 PM
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Re: Learn some science
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SoSick
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05/08/08 03:48 PM
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Antarctica temperatures.
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LinearAq
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05/08/08 04:03 PM
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Re: Antarctica temperatures.
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SoSick
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05/08/08 04:48 PM
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Re: Antarctica temperatures.
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Kitsune
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05/08/08 05:14 PM
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Re: Antarctica temperatures.
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SoSick
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05/08/08 07:32 PM
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Re: Antarctica temperatures.
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Kitsune
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05/08/08 07:37 PM
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Obfuscation 101
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LinearAq
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05/08/08 07:59 PM
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Re: Obfuscation 101
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Kitsune
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05/08/08 08:13 PM
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Re: Obfuscation 101
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CTD
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05/08/08 08:44 PM
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Re: Antarctica temperatures.
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SoSick
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05/09/08 02:47 PM
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Re: Antarctica temperatures.
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CTD
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05/08/08 07:57 PM
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Re: Antarctica temperatures.
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Kitsune
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05/08/08 08:11 PM
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Re: Antarctica temperatures.
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CTD
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05/08/08 09:15 PM
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Re: Antarctica temperatures.
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Kitsune
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05/08/08 09:46 PM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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LinearAq
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05/07/08 08:21 PM
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Just another history lesson
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CTD
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05/07/08 06:52 PM
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Re: Just another history lesson
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LinearAq
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05/07/08 08:31 PM
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Re: Just another history lesson
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SoSick
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05/08/08 03:29 AM
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Re: Just another history lesson
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CTD
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05/10/08 01:42 PM
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Re: just another silly creationist argument?
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RAZD
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05/07/08 02:05 AM
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creationist slight of hand?
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RAZD
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05/07/08 01:46 AM
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Re: creationist slight of hand?
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SoSick
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05/07/08 04:05 AM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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SoSick
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05/06/08 12:56 AM
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avoiding the correlation issue -- but then creationist arguments are like that
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RAZD
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05/06/08 01:26 AM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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SoSick
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05/06/08 02:06 AM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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SoSick
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05/06/08 02:53 AM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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Kitsune
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05/06/08 06:21 AM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth, more trees - the truth of preserved wood
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RAZD
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01/02/08 04:07 PM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth, more trees - the truth of preserved wood
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SoSick
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01/02/08 08:35 PM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth, more trees - the next set of data
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RAZD
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01/02/08 10:45 PM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth, more trees - the truth of preserved wood
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SoSick
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01/02/08 10:45 PM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth, more trees - the truth of preserved wood
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SoSick
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01/03/08 12:50 AM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth - the carbon-14 environment
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RAZD
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01/05/08 10:28 PM
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For Jeanie - Carbon-14 and the correlations with tree rings etc
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RAZD
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08/30/08 10:58 PM
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Re: For Jeanie - Carbon-14 and the correlations with tree rings etc
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Jeanie
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08/31/08 12:47 AM
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Re: For Jeanie - Carbon-14 and the correlations with tree rings etc
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Lynnmn
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11/19/08 04:28 AM
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Re: For Jeanie - Carbon-14 and the correlations with tree rings etc
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LinearAq
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11/19/08 07:59 PM
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Re: For Jeanie - Carbon-14 and the correlations with tree rings etc
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CTD
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11/20/08 05:25 AM
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Re: For Jeanie - Carbon-14 and the correlations with tree rings etc
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Russ
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11/20/08 04:38 PM
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Re: For Jeanie - Carbon-14 and the correlations with tree rings etc
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CTD
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11/20/08 09:13 PM
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Re: For Jeanie - Carbon-14 and the correlations with tree rings etc
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LinearAq
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11/21/08 11:54 PM
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Re: For Jeanie - Carbon-14 and the correlations with tree rings etc
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CTD
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11/22/08 12:30 AM
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Re: For Jeanie - Carbon-14 and the correlations with tree rings etc
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Lynnmn
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11/21/08 12:37 AM
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Re: For Jeanie - Carbon-14 and the correlations with tree rings etc
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LinearAq
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11/21/08 11:40 PM
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Re: For Jeanie - Carbon-14 and the correlations with tree rings etc
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CTD
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11/22/08 01:06 AM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth, finishing the tree data ...
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RAZD
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01/19/08 11:12 PM
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