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Re: More evidence for age -- Annual Lake Varves and CO2
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02/09/08 02:13 AM
02/09/08 02:13 AM
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Thank you SoSick for your contribution. There are a lot of things that can contribute error to carbon dating. The problem for you is that I am not using carbon dating. Whether the rate of decay has (miraculously) changed in the past, or whether there were concentrations that were 3x's todays concentration is irrelevant to the central point: - Items that grew at the same time, using the atmosphere as a source of carbon, will have the same proportion of C14/C12.
or - Items that grew at the same time, using the atmosphere as a source of carbon, cannot have different proportions of C14/C12.
It's that simple. Thus when I count to 10,000 years ago in one set of tree rings, or lake varves or whatever, and test a sample in that layer for the ratio of C14/C12, and compare that to a similar sample from another set of annual layers where I count up to 10,000 years ago, they will either be the same ratio of C14/C12 or at least one of the two time scales is wrong. So far -- in all this data -- such a state of discord has not occurred. Instead, time and again the ratios are the same, year after year, layer after layer. [qs]I saw a show on the weather channel or someplace just last week for instance that claims there was 4 times as much CO2 in the atmosphere when the earth was young compared to today, for instance.[/qs]Gosh, now there's a certified source of scientific information! The sad (for you) fact is that the level of CO2 increasing or decreasing has little impact on the proportion of C14 to C12, as both of them combine with oxygen to form Carbon Dioxide. Having 4x's the amount of C12 and 4x's the amount of C14 does not change the ratio of C14/C12. So, scientists themselves have quite a few major diagreements here it seems. Yet the fact that the earth is very old does not happen to be one of them. Enjoy. [color:"green"] Note: my time is limited, so I only choose threads of particular interest to me and I cannot guarantee a reply to all responses (particularly if they do not discuss the issue/s), and I expect other people to do the same. Thank you for your consideration.[/color]
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A Well Aged Earth
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RAZD
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12/19/07 07:58 PM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth
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SoSick
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12/19/07 11:39 PM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth, a second tree.
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RAZD
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12/20/07 01:19 AM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth, a second tree.
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SoSick
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12/20/07 02:28 PM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth, a second tree.
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Kitsune
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12/20/07 04:59 PM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth, a second tree.
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SoSick
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12/20/07 06:05 PM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth, a second tree.
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Pwcca
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12/21/07 12:02 AM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth, a second tree.
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SoSick
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12/21/07 01:50 AM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth, a second tree, and runaway creationism
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RAZD
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12/21/07 04:24 AM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth, a second tree, and runaway creationism
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SoSick
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12/21/07 05:32 AM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth, another tid-bit of information
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RAZD
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12/21/07 06:07 PM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth, another tid-bit of information
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SoSick
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12/21/07 09:01 PM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth, more trees, more correlations
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RAZD
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12/25/07 03:14 PM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth, more trees, more correlations
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SoSick
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12/27/07 04:21 AM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth, more trees, more correlations
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Kitsune
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12/31/07 08:28 AM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth, more trees, more correlations
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SoSick
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01/01/08 04:02 AM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth, more trees, more correlations
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Kitsune
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01/01/08 08:58 AM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth, more trees, more correlations
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SoSick
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01/01/08 06:33 PM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth, more trees, more correlations
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SoSick
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01/02/08 02:12 AM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth, more trees, more correlations
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Russ
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01/21/08 02:12 AM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth, more trees, more correlations
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RAZD
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01/21/08 02:47 AM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth, more trees, more correlations
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Russ
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01/21/08 09:27 AM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth, more trees, more correlations
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RAZD
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01/21/08 07:06 PM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth, more trees, more correlations
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SoSick
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01/22/08 03:21 AM
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More evidence for age -- Annual Lake Varves
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RAZD
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02/06/08 05:13 AM
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Re: More evidence for age -- Annual Lake Varves
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SoSick
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02/08/08 05:05 AM
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Re: More evidence for age -- Annual Lake Varves
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Pwcca
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02/08/08 07:57 PM
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Re: More evidence for age -- Annual Lake Varves
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SoSick
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02/08/08 08:51 PM
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Re: More evidence for age -- Annual Lake Varves
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SoSick
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02/08/08 09:13 PM
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Re: More evidence for age -- Annual Lake Varves and CO2
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RAZD
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02/09/08 06:13 AM
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Re: More evidence for age -- Annual Lake Varves and CO2
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SoSick
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02/12/08 09:39 PM
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Re: More evidence for age -- Annual Lake Varves and CO2
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RAZD
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02/13/08 03:39 AM
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Re: More evidence for age -- Annual Lake Varves and CO2
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SoSick
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02/13/08 05:09 AM
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Picking up where we left off -- another annual layer system
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RAZD
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05/05/08 02:28 AM
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just another "annual" layer fraud
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CTD
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05/05/08 08:57 AM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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Kitsune
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05/05/08 09:50 AM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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CTD
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05/05/08 09:18 PM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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CTD
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01/11/10 03:01 AM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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RAZD
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05/05/08 11:37 AM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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CTD
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05/05/08 09:42 PM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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SoSick
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05/06/08 12:04 AM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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CTD
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05/06/08 12:53 AM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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Kitsune
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05/06/08 07:02 AM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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CTD
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05/06/08 08:57 AM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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SoSick
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05/06/08 01:41 PM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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LinearAq
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05/06/08 03:10 PM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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SoSick
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05/06/08 04:23 PM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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SoSick
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05/06/08 05:07 PM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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Kitsune
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05/06/08 06:56 PM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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SoSick
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05/06/08 08:20 PM
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Steam Vents in Antarctica
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SoSick
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05/06/08 09:39 PM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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Kitsune
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05/07/08 06:10 AM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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CTD
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05/07/08 11:29 AM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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Kitsune
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05/07/08 01:40 PM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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CTD
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05/30/08 11:25 AM
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Re: just another "PRATT" (creationist fraud)
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RAZD
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05/30/08 10:33 PM
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Re: just another "PRATT" (creationist fraud)
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Kitsune
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05/31/08 05:47 AM
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Re: just another "PRATT" (creationist fraud)
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RAZD
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07/19/08 10:37 PM
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Re: just another "PRATT" (creationist fraud)
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Kitsune
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07/20/08 05:58 AM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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SoSick
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05/07/08 11:55 AM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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SoSick
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05/07/08 12:44 PM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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Kitsune
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05/07/08 01:50 PM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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SoSick
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05/07/08 03:32 PM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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SoSick
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05/07/08 03:53 PM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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SoSick
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05/07/08 05:55 PM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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LinearAq
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05/07/08 05:53 PM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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SoSick
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05/07/08 05:59 PM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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Kitsune
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05/07/08 07:36 PM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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SoSick
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05/07/08 08:25 PM
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Learn some science
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Kitsune
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05/08/08 06:11 AM
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Re: Learn some science
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Kitsune
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05/08/08 03:02 PM
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Re: Learn some science
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RAZD
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05/10/08 03:01 PM
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Re: Learn some science
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Kitsune
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05/10/08 04:16 PM
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Re: Learn some science
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SoSick
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05/08/08 03:48 PM
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Antarctica temperatures.
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LinearAq
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05/08/08 04:03 PM
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Re: Antarctica temperatures.
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SoSick
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05/08/08 04:48 PM
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Re: Antarctica temperatures.
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Kitsune
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05/08/08 05:14 PM
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Re: Antarctica temperatures.
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SoSick
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05/08/08 07:32 PM
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Re: Antarctica temperatures.
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Kitsune
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05/08/08 07:37 PM
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Obfuscation 101
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LinearAq
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05/08/08 07:59 PM
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Re: Obfuscation 101
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Kitsune
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05/08/08 08:13 PM
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Re: Obfuscation 101
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CTD
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05/08/08 08:44 PM
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Re: Antarctica temperatures.
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SoSick
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05/09/08 02:47 PM
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Re: Antarctica temperatures.
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CTD
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05/08/08 07:57 PM
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Re: Antarctica temperatures.
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Kitsune
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05/08/08 08:11 PM
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Re: Antarctica temperatures.
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CTD
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05/08/08 09:15 PM
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Re: Antarctica temperatures.
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Kitsune
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05/08/08 09:46 PM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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LinearAq
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05/07/08 08:21 PM
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Just another history lesson
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CTD
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05/07/08 06:52 PM
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Re: Just another history lesson
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LinearAq
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05/07/08 08:31 PM
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Re: Just another history lesson
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SoSick
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05/08/08 03:29 AM
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Re: Just another history lesson
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CTD
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05/10/08 01:42 PM
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Re: just another silly creationist argument?
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RAZD
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05/07/08 02:05 AM
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creationist slight of hand?
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RAZD
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05/07/08 01:46 AM
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Re: creationist slight of hand?
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SoSick
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05/07/08 04:05 AM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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SoSick
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05/06/08 12:56 AM
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avoiding the correlation issue -- but then creationist arguments are like that
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RAZD
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05/06/08 01:26 AM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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SoSick
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05/06/08 02:06 AM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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SoSick
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05/06/08 02:53 AM
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Re: just another "annual" layer fraud
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Kitsune
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05/06/08 06:21 AM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth, more trees - the truth of preserved wood
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RAZD
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01/02/08 04:07 PM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth, more trees - the truth of preserved wood
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SoSick
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01/02/08 08:35 PM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth, more trees - the next set of data
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RAZD
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01/02/08 10:45 PM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth, more trees - the truth of preserved wood
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SoSick
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01/02/08 10:45 PM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth, more trees - the truth of preserved wood
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SoSick
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01/03/08 12:50 AM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth - the carbon-14 environment
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RAZD
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01/05/08 10:28 PM
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For Jeanie - Carbon-14 and the correlations with tree rings etc
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RAZD
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08/30/08 10:58 PM
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Re: For Jeanie - Carbon-14 and the correlations with tree rings etc
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Jeanie
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08/31/08 12:47 AM
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Re: For Jeanie - Carbon-14 and the correlations with tree rings etc
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Lynnmn
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11/19/08 04:28 AM
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Re: For Jeanie - Carbon-14 and the correlations with tree rings etc
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LinearAq
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11/19/08 07:59 PM
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Re: For Jeanie - Carbon-14 and the correlations with tree rings etc
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CTD
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11/20/08 05:25 AM
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Re: For Jeanie - Carbon-14 and the correlations with tree rings etc
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Russ
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11/20/08 04:38 PM
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Re: For Jeanie - Carbon-14 and the correlations with tree rings etc
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CTD
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11/20/08 09:13 PM
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Re: For Jeanie - Carbon-14 and the correlations with tree rings etc
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LinearAq
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11/21/08 11:54 PM
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Re: For Jeanie - Carbon-14 and the correlations with tree rings etc
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CTD
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11/22/08 12:30 AM
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Re: For Jeanie - Carbon-14 and the correlations with tree rings etc
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Lynnmn
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11/21/08 12:37 AM
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Re: For Jeanie - Carbon-14 and the correlations with tree rings etc
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LinearAq
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11/21/08 11:40 PM
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Re: For Jeanie - Carbon-14 and the correlations with tree rings etc
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CTD
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11/22/08 01:06 AM
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Re: A Well Aged Earth, finishing the tree data ...
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RAZD
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01/19/08 11:12 PM
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