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Thanks Bex,

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See, no matter what analogy you toy with, start/existence and information are unavoidable and not something you can side step.


Then you also do not need and fake probability calculations based on false assumptions to prove your point.

What you are saying is that there are no random happenings, no free will, everything is determined.

This determinism would also mean that life arising from chemical reactions would also be inevitable without needing creationism to explain it.

Thus it does not, cannot, differentiate between one hypothesis and another. My (Deist) God can be just as responsible as your (or anyone else's) God.

Enjoy.


Thanks RAZD,

Still missing the point and now putting words in my mouth. Am I surprised? Is anybody? What are the calculations I have faked? I haven't made any, since I'm well aware that all things arise FROM something, which is logical/observable/repeatable. Yet this is what you seem to be avoiding. Either you have an imaginery dice, or you face reality that you have a created dice. It isn't really going to help solve any analogies, if you continue to to ignore the starting point.

Chemical reactions occur because the chemicals themselves exist....the first problem. However, going further... Where did the chemicals come from? What chemicals were there at that time, and in what combination and how? in order to be responsible for the starting point of the life you claim evolved? If you know this, then it should be repeatable/observable/testable. If you don't know this, then you haven't got any scientific proof to claim it did. Either way, you still have the problem of explaining the existance of those materials/chemicals - which you still can't quite escape.

At any rate, thanks for your last resort admission RAZD. Next time you take a contemptuous potshot or have a giggle over the idea of God, I'll remember your quote and have a giggle of my own. You attributing all this to a mindless act (your god) and me attributing it to an act from power/intellect/knowledge (my God). grin