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I have enjoyed reading all of the messages on this forum. I just joined it, but am waiting for my e-mail confirmation. My name is Eileen.

I wanted to address chelation protocols. I too am very confused between Huggin's and Cutler's chelation procedures, because they do not agree in all areas. I found a website with a chelation protocol that sounds safe to me. Please check out www.bodyhealth.com/html/metalfree/index.asp I am very interested in trying this method and would appreciate anyone else's opinion,especially yours Russ. Thanks!

I've been using a number of products from Maxam Labs - PCA-Rx, AF-X, NG-Rx. I decided on these producs after doing extensive research and talking to people who had been treated with DMPS, DMSA and other protocols. I've been sick for 20 years with Chronic Fatigue, Chemical Hypersensitivity, Candida, anxiety and depression even though I had my amalgam fillings removed 18 years ago.

I've had really good results with the Maxam Labs products and I started with only 1 spray of PCA-Rx per day. I decided on the Maxam Labs products because they are liquid micronutrients that you spray under your tongue to be absored sublingually. I have found that powders or capsules aren't very well digested by me and I don't think the absortion rate is as high as you get with a liquid product.

I also use a Far Infrared Sauna from High Tech Health. It was fairly expensive ($3,400.00 US) but I see it as an investment in my health. I'll be using it for the rest of my life as pollutants are everywhere in our environment.

As with any product that takes heavy metals out of your body, the Maxam Lab products can give you detox symptoms if you don't start out slowly. Just thought I'd share the information.

www.maxamlabs.com

www.hightechhealth.com

I have this question presented to me so often that I'm going to write and article about it and post it on http://mercurytalk.com (eventually, as soon as I can find time).

I decided to take a slow approach. Unfortunately, my symptoms were so bad at the time I had my fillings replaced that I wanted relief as soon as possible so I got hasty and did DMPS.

I would not recommend it because my business partner and I both did the entire process together (removal and detox) and the DMPS made her very sick. Story here:
http://herballure.com/mms

I have learned a lot over the past 4 years as this has become my favorite subject along with cancer. I research these subjects because they are so common today and the research allows me to help people. I believe mercury toxicity (and heavy metal toxicity in general) is the health issue of the next decade. Millions will soon be discovering that they are mercury toxic.

Having said all this, I will say that my philosophy about mercury detox is "slow and gentle".

This is what I would do as a typical detox program. Please note that this program would change if there were specific pronounced symptoms that needed to be addressed first.

My base for all mercury detox is Algin. This is a mild mercury (and other heavy metal) chelator which prevents redistribution of mercury once in the disgestive system. This is very important because according to Huggins research, 80% of people who have amalgams replaced properly go into "detox mode" within 48 hours after the last filling is replaced. This is essentially the liver "kicking in", doing its job and pulling blood mercury out of the blood. (The other 20% can effectively kick-start the detox process if they want to). Algin has been my single most important supplement.

I would also start with additional protective supplements like lots of vitamin C in the form of Citrus Bioflavonoids; and vitamin E with selenium (check with your physician before starting vitamin E if you're on a blood "thinners" (i.e. heparin)).

I would do this for a few weeks until the body is "stable" and you're feeling strong enough to actually start chelating.

I would start actually chelating with something inexpesive like cilantro. Start with a little for a week, then add a little more, then a little more until you feel symptoms return, then back off a little.

After a few weeks (as long as symptoms are still at bay) add in chlorella. Do the same by adding a little at a time until symptoms return. I take chlorella in the form of a "green drink" which provides numerous other beneficial minerals and green stuff. Of course, you have to check with your body all along the way because everyone's specific situation is different and some have problems with copper and "green" stuff has it.

I also like to work with specific symptoms like depression. If you have it, lets work on the thyroid (hot/cold all the time, low energy ,etc.) or liver (toxic blood signatures) or perhaps pancreas (blood-sugar issues). If someone has IBS type symptoms, I would work on colon issues. If candida, there are great natural supplements for that as well. All these used together make life livable while you detox.

Really, there is no "one-size-fits-all" formula, although there are a lot of common elements that work for all people. To be most effective, you need to take it one step at a time and work with the symptoms you have. If you happen to be doing pretty well, then great. You can detox a little more aggressively.

The nice thing is, there are many excellent and inexpensive detox supplements so I don't see the need to spend large amounts of money. The key is, get the mercury out, make it gets all the way out without redistributing and allow life to be comfortable in the mean time.

Hope this helps.

Here are links to some of the supplements I personally use each day or throughout the week:

My (Partial) Supplement List

Thanks Russ and Anonymous for your input on chelation, it was very helpful.
I still would like someone's opinion of the product "Metal Free". Does anyone have time to check out the website and give me their opinion of the product. I would like to try it. I want to know if it sounds safe. They have some impressive case studies. www.bodyhealth.com/html/metalfree/index.asp
Thanks!

Sorry for the long-winded explaination missing the question. Here's a more concise answer.

I've looked over the ingredients and it looks like a very good combination. No doubt it's an effective chelation and detox tool. My two concerns are:

(1) The price. Most of these ingredients are available at a significantly more economical price (per amount), and

(2) I am concerned that this formula would provoke symptoms by increasing blood mercury levels. It would be good to see someone go on and off it several times for controlled periods and see what the effect is.

If you try it, let us know how it goes.

Thanks Russ for taking the time to research this product. It is a little pricey, but right now it seems better to me than DMSA or DMPS. I'm still a student trying to educate myself about this topic. Your forum has been a great tool for me. I wiil let you know what I decide to do. Thanks again!
Eileen

Look forward to hearing how it goes <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

You'll never get the mercury out of your brain this way. Mercury likes the "brain". You need to chelate with ALA to get it out of the brain. Read Andy Cutler's book.

YOU HAVE TO USE ANDY CUTLER'S PROTOCOL, OTHERWISE YOU WILL NEVER GET CURED!

http://www.noamalgam.com/
http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html
http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/

I like Andy's protocol yet there is a lot of controversey about DMPS.

To be fair, I have to say that my business partner and I didn't use Andy's protocol and yet we've both recovered dramatically. I did do DMPS injection 3 times before I heard the horror stories. My business partner (Laura) got very sick from the DMPS injection. I realize that Andy suggests oral DMPS (so nobody gets confused).

For those who are interested in the book, it is honestly the best book I've found on the subject. We sell it right here in case you're interested:

Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

Thank for participating.

I agree with you Russ, I highly respect Andrew Cutler and everything he's written about mercury chelation, but there are natural protocols that work too.
I wanted to respond to Sandra regarding the Metal Free product. Metal Free has ALA in it and will remove mercury from the brain.

Here's a source for:

Alpha Lipoic Acid

in case you're interested.

hi
have you heard of ndf. this is supposed to be a very good mercury chelator. it consists of cilantro and chlorella and is supposed to be more effective than dmsa and a lot more gentle on the body. it is pricy but if it works and does not make you sicker then its got to be worth it. have a look on the internet, it does sound very promising. for the more sensitive person there is a product called ndf plus which is much gentler but still effective.

Hi Russ. Many thanks for this informative post on chelating Mercury out of your system

I am from the UK and am shortly going to have my Mercury fillings out and do feel I maybe Mercury Toxic.

But being from the UK and new to this subject I do have one or two questions if you dont mind.



First of all where can someone get hold of Algin in the UK? It does seem a very important nutrient to have to stop mercury reasorbing back into your system. Who else recommends Algin for this purpose.



I have heard that stored mercury in cells is pushed back into circulation with cilantro (or Corriander) and wild garlic, but at the same time you need chlorella in the gut to take it away via the stools. If there is not enough chlorella the neurotoxins are reabsorbed by the nerve endings in the gut wall, and are at risk of being redirected to the spinal cord, and the brain.

So if it is difficult to get hold of Algin can we take Chlorella instead to do the same job?

I have also heard that Cilantro should be taken thirty minutes after chlorella, because it causes the gall bladder to dump bile, containing the excreted neurotoxins, into the small intestine, for removal by chlorella.



I think this is the bottom line.

This being the case when is it a good idea to add alpha lipoic acid to the regime to help detox the mercury from your brain as i am aware it maybe should not be done right at the start.

Again, another problem from being in the UK, is being able to get hold of the product Heavy Metal Detox. This seems to have a little bit of all the ingredients to help you detox. If I can get hold of this product is it better to get this as an all in one product, instead of getting all the supplements separately, and can you start with this protocol straight away?

Many Thanks.

Crunchie

Sorry for the delayed reply.


We can ship Algin to the U.K. I'll have my business partner post the relevant information here for ordering.


I believe that anytime you "mobilize" mercury, you are at risk of having it redirected to any other part of the body. Unfortunately, this is the only way I know of to get it out.

Algin is the best solution I know of to stop the mercury from reabsorbing ones it's on the intestines. It's what I used.


No. Chlorella actually can mobilize mercury because it's a precursor to glutathione, which is a sulphur-containing substance that is the body's natural mercury defense.

Algin is the best bet to prevent reabsorption.



You're right. I believe you need to wait until you've detoxed the lower body before working on the brain. ALA can cause strange symptoms and headaches if taken while a person still has a lot of mercury.

Just remember to take plenty of vitamin C and E during the detox process. C will help protect the body from mercury-induced damage. E will help protect the brain from the same.


I would recommend using Heavy Metal Detox only when you're strong enough to handle it. In other words, it's best to do other detox first and save the HMD for the last stage of detox. I say this mainly because it is pretty powerful and would probably make a very toxic person sick.

Hope this helps.

Thank you very much for the information Russ. I think i may start on some Algin, and Vitamin C&E (which i take anyway), then add cilantro and Chlorella to the regime once i get the fillings removed.

I am in two minds whether to get a DMSA test from Biolab in the UK, which is a urine test (the Kelmer Test) after i get the fillings removed, to see how toxic i am, to have an idea how to pace myself. Does anyone know how reliable the Kelmer Test is?

http://www.biolab.co.uk/docs/kelmer.pdf

crunchie have a look at a recent thread on the Kelmer test
http://herballure.com/ubbthreads/sh...&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

The PCA-Rx and PC3X both sound too good to be true, so it probably is.

Has anyone elso on this board tried PCA-Rx? A detoxing spray which bonds itself to only toxic heavy metals with no side effects? Sounds too good to be true, especially as one Testomonial is supposed to be written by a 3 year old. girl. LOL

Hi, maybe it would also be worth looking at a unique, natural chelator with science to back it called HMD - www.detoxmetals.com - its the new chelator on the block!

sorry but i wouldn,'t take that stuff,all the ingredients in it are well known to only mobilize mercury,be careful if you decide to try it.

Those ingredients have been very effective for people in the past. Horses for courses.

Hi,

A very gentle, natural chelator is Humet-R from Fulcrum Health. Their website is at: http://www.fulcrumhealth.co.uk/. This is what Pam Clayton, who runs a mercury Helpline in the UK, used herself to become mercury free. It removes mercury from the brain as well as the other organs. Many of the people who have contacted her for help have also gone down the same road and become mercury free. It has no side effects and is pleasant tasting.

Some people may have heard that Pam had a relapse, but this was nothing to do with Humet-R. It was found a couple of years after she recovered that she still had amalgam under some of her teeth, due to her dentist NOT testing her before, during or after her removal and replacement. This is why it is so vital to have a dentist who can test you all along the way without having to send you elsewhere.

Lyn
www.LynRennicksAMPSsociety.co.uk
Lyn@LynRennicksAMPSsociety.co.uk

I too am interested in knowing if anyone has tried PCA-Rx and/or PC3X? Claims to be a detoxing spray which bonds itself to only toxic heavy metals with no side effects? Product details such as they are are located at http://ssl.maxamlabs.com/MAXAM_ASP_ViewProduct_LongDescription.asp?ProductINDX=47 for PCA-Rx , and http://ssl.maxamlabs.com/MAXAM_ASP_ViewProduct.asp?ProductINDX=1003 for PCA3X. The product seems to have around since about 2002? The reason I ask is I've recently started with a new Doctor to manage and support my health (I have a number of health conditions, sensitivites and allergies). Previously I was with a wonderful Doctor for almost 7 years but unfortunately he retired 6 months ago.The new Doctor has asked me to look at the PCA-Rx and PC3X which she described as very gentle. She seems to be suggesting using it immediately (while Amalgams still in situ). I have another appontment with her in just under a week's time and need some more info on this product to make a decision on whether to risk it or not. I am currently on a number of Vitamins and supplements (some prescription +some over the counter) which my former Doctor and I arrived at through years of painstaking trial and error that was most beneficial and which I could tolerate. I am very cautious in changing that regime. Presently we are dealing with hormone imbalances due to Menopause and Hypothyroid and I am on hormone replacement for both. as well as being on DHEA supplements for some years.
My ill health started suddenly when I had to have my Gall Bladder removed in March 2000. I was also in the middle of having 2 tooth coloured crowns done over composite fillings . In fact I went into hospital with a temporary crown in situ! I now know that both crowns have a Gold+Alloy (unable to identify as Dental Lab no longer exists) substrate. Well I now know and you probably already know what having different metals in the mouth does (increases oral galvanic current=speeds up release of Mercury=more toxicity=more health problems).
I am currently trying to get myself stable and as well as possible before considering replacing my 10 amalgam fillings plus an older crown approx 20 y.o. which (probably) has an amalgam filling underneath it. To complicate things further I apparently also need 5 new cavites filled and one wisdom tooth extracted.
Unfortunately it is beginning to look like I will have to travel thousands of miles in order to access a Dentist willing, experienced and proficient enough to safely do so. I live in Perth and have only found two Dentists in Australia (one in Sydney and another in Brisbane) who advertise that they do Dental Revision and explain the protocols they use.They are Dr Eric Davis http://www.ericdavisdental.com/ and Dr Robert Gammal http://www.bcd.com.au/MainContact.htm. Forum members could you take a look and tell me what you think of the info and procedures on their sites?
A visit to a local Dentist Dr Geoffrey McNeil who I was told did the Hal Huggins Protocol training and is also supposed to be personal friends with Hal Huggins revealed that the only protocol he used was a rubber dam?!?! He also said after a very basic exam (no Xray or Digital scan) and patient history that he had never taken out more than 5-6 Amalgams from one patient and that in my case he was not willing to do so as I was TOO SENSITIVE. Well to that I say "Yeah, no !!! That dang-blasted Mercury will do that to ya. Isn't that why y'all need to get the dang-blasted poison out?????".
Further enquiries threw up the name of another local Dentist Dr George Papadopulas. I haven't actually seen him nor does he have a website but his office staff advised he uses a rubber dam, uses OPG (Digital Scan), can arrange separate patient oxygen supply and I.V. sedation. He relies on a separate business to do oral galvanic readings (no ONSITE machine) and Electro-Dermal Compatability Testing (NOT Serum testing). However he is willing to remove a MAX of 2 Amalgams at a time with a MINIMUM of a month in between, whether I.V. sedation used or not. This would necessitate some 9-10 months of continuous appointments to complete the replacements and the new dental work required, including getting new galvanic readings inbetween removals. It would also mean a much greater (repeated) exposure to local anaestheics a number of which I am either allergic or sensitive to already. I would then have to wait some months before attempting Mercury Detox.
My understanding is this all goes against Hal Huggins recommendation of preferably in one day (under general anaesthetic or I.V. sedation) or otherwise 30 days? And IAOMT recommends 4-6 weeks for best results. I'ver searched online and some on line forums suggest up to 6 months- 9 to 10 months is just ridiculous!
In addition I would certainly not have my Wisdom tooth extracted under a local anaesthetic as blythely suggested by Dr McNeil as 'not a problem'. Last time I needed a Dental anaesthetic I ended up with 3 injections of the 'normal dose' (I have Fibromyalgia which amplifies pain).
I would be grateful for any comments, feedback, advice, etc regarding the PCA-Rx and PC3X products and the Australian Dentists mentioned. If anyone has experience or knowledge of a Perth, Western Australia Dentist who follows protocols please let me know <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Please note the above was my anonymous post (waiting on confirmation of registration) . I have copied it and added further background details to a new thread here

http://herballure.com/ubbthreads/sh...;fpart=1&vc=1&PHPSESSID=

Please help if you can.Thanks for this forum it has been the best resource I have found so far.

I have used pca-rx and felt good for a little while and then started to have very bad detox symtoms had to stop using it ,andy cutler had mentioned not using alot of stuff that is in pca-rx ,wish I would of read this first before makiing myself worse and wasting my money