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DMPS and suicidal thoughts #5724
02/01/06 03:12 PM
02/01/06 03:12 PM
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I just had my 14th DMPS infusion this morning and as usually happens it is aggravating my suicidal thoughts. Does this happen because the DMPS is pushing a lot of mercury out into my bloodstream or because it is pulling other vital nutrients out of my body? Maybe it's due to neither of those reasons but my research indicates that it's one of those two things or a combination of them. If you can give me any more information I would appreciate it.

I know that DMPS is a heavy duty chelating agent that causes problems for some people so I'm not taking the infusions as frequently as I did for the first set of ten.

Re: DMPS and suicidal thoughts #5725
02/01/06 10:27 PM
02/01/06 10:27 PM
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Anonymous OP
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Are you drinking a lot of water...you should drink glasses and glasses all day after a dmps shot...so your kidneys can get all of it out...if not..you are just moving it all around, and this could make you feel suicidal/sick...do they weigh you at every app't?? to make sure you are receiving the correct dosage?? Sandra P

Re: DMPS and suicidal thoughts #5726
02/02/06 03:27 AM
02/02/06 03:27 AM
Russ  Online Content

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Aaron,

I lived with strong suicidal thoughts all my life. These types of thoughts have been well connected with mercury toxicity so please constantly remind yourself of this whenever the feeling comes on and keep someone around for company if possible. When I realized it was the mercury causing the thoughts, I would say to myself:

"It's not real, it's just mercury."

Mercury is well-known to cause depression and a host of other emotional side-effects as well. Hang in there and take tons of Vitamin C after DMPS, perhaps as much as 5000 mg over the following 8 hours.

It's very common to have a 50 gram (yes gram, not mg) vitamin c I.V. drip after DMPS. Are they giving that to you? If not, I would request it.

All said, I would say, "Yes, mercury is the cause, not some other deficiency."

Hope this helps and hang in there. It gets easier and better as you detox. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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Re: DMPS and suicidal thoughts #5727
02/02/06 09:36 AM
02/02/06 09:36 AM
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Yes, I am drinking a lot of water.

I read about the use of vitamin C during chelation therapy but my doctor never recommended it. One time I complained about the infusions making me ill and he had the technician give me a shot of glutathione but that didn't help. Should I request the IV vitamin C (probably expensive) or just take it orally?

I'm 42 and I really don't want to go on living but I'm hoping that this will really work.

Re: DMPS and suicidal thoughts #5728
02/02/06 09:41 AM
02/02/06 09:41 AM
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Anonymous OP
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Yes, I am weighed before each infusion. I didn't realize they were doing that to set the dose.


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Are you drinking a lot of water...you should drink glasses and glasses all day after a dmps shot...so your kidneys can get all of it out...if not..you are just moving it all around, and this could make you feel suicidal/sick...do they weigh you at every app't?? to make sure you are receiving the correct dosage?? Sandra P

Re: DMPS and suicidal thoughts #5729
02/02/06 10:20 PM
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Anonymous OP
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Please Aaron,
Don't give up! God only gives us what we can handle...And both of us can get through this...I have been so sick for a year and half now,...I had to quit my job...and all I did was cry for months...and trust me, I thought of ending it all......But just think of one day, you will feel great, and look back at all this and only be stronger from it........Ok, now another question....Has the dr. ever suggested oral dmsa instead of the Iv's....because I had the Iv's and my emotions never got better, but now I am taking dmsa(oral), and I feel emotionally more stable....it is weaker than the dmps iv's, but I think it helps the brain more....just a suggestion...and of coarse you need nutritional support.....The iv Vit C is great...I'm sure it is cheaper than the dmps Iv...I paid $100 for the dmps, and the Vit C was $60.....hang in there...Sandra P <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Re: DMPS and suicidal thoughts #5730
02/02/06 10:46 PM
02/02/06 10:46 PM
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Anonymous OP
Unregistered

Hi Aaron.

Sorry for what you're going through. I too suffer depression and get suicidal thoughts . I think it's quite common with mercury poisoning. I just tell myself that now I know what it is I can get better and things will get better. Sometimes it seems quite hopeless, but I try to be positive because giving into it won't achieve anything.

If you can, try to set a routine for yourself or a goal that you want done. When I don't have a goal I tend to just stay in bed and then be up late and generally throw my bodyclock out of whack which can't help any.

Don't push yourself too hard, try to get things in that you enjoy and avoid as much as possible things that cause you a lot of stress.

You can get through this <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Are all of your amalgams out? #5731
02/03/06 02:19 AM
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Aaron,

All of your amalgams are out, right?


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Re: Are all of your amalgams out? #5732
02/03/06 11:49 AM
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Anonymous OP
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Yes, I had all of my fillings removed. Actually, I only had one filling and my doctor didn't think that was a big deal. I went to a biological dentist that he referred me to on my own initiative because I figured if I was going to do this I would go all the way.

My doctor wants to use IV DMPS to lower the level of mercury in my body before switching to oral DMSA. The theory is that DMSA could cause problems if used too early in the detoxification program because it crosses the blood brain barrier and it could put more mercury in the brain.

Re: Are all of your amalgams out? #5733
02/03/06 01:48 PM
02/03/06 01:48 PM
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Anonymous OP
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Aaron, how high were your readings ..of mercury...How were you tested???..Wow , because 14 iv's are alot...you must be drenched in the stuff...Did you eat a lot of seafood, or did you have a flu/hepB shot???

Re: Are all of your amalgams out? #5734
02/03/06 04:29 PM
02/03/06 04:29 PM
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Anonymous OP
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I had a DMPS challenge (urine toxic metals) test and the results came from Doctor's Date Inc. in Illinois. My first reading was 22 with a reference range of < 3. My second test (after ten infusions) gave me a reading of 24 with the same reference range. I asked my doctor if I had excreted at least eight times as much mercury as the average person would on the second test and he indicated that my interpretation was correct. He seems like an honest guy but I can't help but wonder if I'm being scammed because doctors have lied to me in the past. How reliable is Doctor's Data Inc.?

Yes, if the tests are reliable I must be full of mercury but I don't know where I got all of it. I only had one amalgam filling. I am fond of seafood but I don't eat it every day. I haven't had any vaccinations in quite a few years.

What do you think that I should do? I was shocked when I excreted more mercury on my second test than I did on the first one but if it's accurate I have to keep on going.

My doctor said that twenty is the maximum number of infusions that would be needed to turn me around assuming that the chelation treatment is effective to begin with.








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Aaron, how high were your readings ..of mercury...How were you tested???..Wow , because 14 iv's are alot...you must be drenched in the stuff...Did you eat a lot of seafood, or did you have a flu/hepB shot???

Re: Are all of your amalgams out? #5735
02/03/06 08:22 PM
02/03/06 08:22 PM
Carla  Offline
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I don't know about you, Aaron, but if something does not work for me, I try something else. Have you ever considered using a suppository-type chelator of EDTA? I know that Cutler claims EDTA is good only for lead, but he was talking about intravenous EDTA, not the rectal-implant you do yourself called detoxamin,and it's far cheaper.

I have never used this; the only chelation I use is the slow & gentle foot patch, being of the opinion that merely detoxifying is not enough to get the state of health we want. Mercury poisoned or not, we have to do other things, also, like super-nutrition and supplementation with highly digestible minerals, etc.

In any case, if it was me, I'd give the suppositories a try. Whatever you choose, remember this is a JOURNEY you are on; your torment is as legitimate a part of your life as all the good stuff you've been through. Now cheer up and hope to hear back from you soon!


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Doctors pretending to know (video clip) #5736
02/03/06 10:21 PM
02/03/06 10:21 PM
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I've heard of Doctor's Data, Inc. They are very popular but I don't know about their reliability or honesty.

I, like you, believe that many doctors lie often. It's so easy for them to get away with it because there is virtually no accountability. They are also prone to make huge assumptions based on what they've been told in medical school (most of which are heavily influenced or completely controlled by pharmaceutical companies) or by other doctors.

I have a clip showing an example of doctor's pretending to know from one of the DVD videos we're going to be offering in the next few weeks:

But I Didn't Know!


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Re: Are all of your amalgams out? #5737
02/03/06 10:51 PM
02/03/06 10:51 PM
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Anonymous OP
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Hey Aaron,

Doctor's data is supposed to be the Best Lab ...My naturopath said they are very accurate...I too, did a challenge...but mine was with oral dmsa(12 hours) and my reading was 12...but after my 5th DMPS IV injection..my URINE reading was 15.6....so mine went up also...after my 8th iv, i got a rash, so that is why I'm on DMSA now....I have read that it is good for it to go up, before it goes down...I guess it means your body is releasing more.....and if your reading is still high...you know you are peeing it out...because you are getting a reading...and that means of course..you are getting it out of your body....I know you have emotional symptoms...but do you have any Physical symptoms....like dizziness, fatigue, etc????Sandra P <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Re: Doctors pretending to know (video clip) #5738
02/04/06 09:38 AM
02/04/06 09:38 AM
A
Anonymous OP
Unregistered

My doctor seems to be honest because he bashes the pharmaceutical companies and the insurance companies. Time will tell.

Re: Are all of your amalgams out? #5739
02/04/06 06:52 PM
02/04/06 06:52 PM
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Anonymous OP
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I suffer from chronic fatigue and pain as well as the mental and emotional problems. I often feel stiff and achy and sometimes my feet feel like they are burning. I had attributed the problems with my feet to them being flat but I read that burning feet is a symptom of mercury poisoning.



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Hey Aaron,

Doctor's data is supposed to be the Best Lab ...My naturopath said they are very accurate...I too, did a challenge...but mine was with oral dmsa(12 hours) and my reading was 12...but after my 5th DMPS IV injection..my URINE reading was 15.6....so mine went up also...after my 8th iv, i got a rash, so that is why I'm on DMSA now....I have read that it is good for it to go up, before it goes down...I guess it means your body is releasing more.....and if your reading is still high...you know you are peeing it out...because you are getting a reading...and that means of course..you are getting it out of your body....I know you have emotional symptoms...but do you have any Physical symptoms....like dizziness, fatigue, etc????Sandra P <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Re: Are all of your amalgams out? #5740
02/04/06 08:11 PM
02/04/06 08:11 PM
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Anonymous OP
Unregistered

Hey, I also have fatigue....I feel dizzy at times, twitching in all my muscles, esp. in my head(weird), my nerves twitch constantly ...all day every day...I feel things worse when I am relaxing...I have nausea on and off...and I have chills all the times too...When I first got ill (dizzy)..they thought I had an ear infection and gave be antibiotics...well then I went down hill...I was taking too strong a dose, and I guess my yeast went crazy....I was bed ridden for 3 mths...I thought I was dying...then I started treating myself for candida, and got better,..but not cured , and then 8 months later, found out it was mercury....now i've been detoxing from that (5 mths now)..and am getting better....so there is hope,...I'm pretty sure if I didn't take my health in my own hands (candida, now mercury detox)...I would have died...(not kidding).....Anyways, this may be a personal question Aaron, but how are your bowel movements????It is very important to be having at least 2 good ones a day...Or the Iv's just keep the toxins in...I did buy a very good colon cleanse, and that really helped to clean the colon full of crap(literally)...and I had a series of colonics done(not for everyone, but painless), and what a huge difference that made....my energy increased immediately....I also changed my eating habits...Have you read Huggins book?....If not, i'll tell you what you should eat and NOT eat....Sandra P <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Re: Are all of your amalgams out? #5741
02/05/06 10:29 AM
02/05/06 10:29 AM
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Anonymous OP
Unregistered

My bowels are fine. I have had five colonics since last August. In fact it was the colon hydrotherapist that referred me to the doctor that I am seeing now. I had been thinking about having colonics done for about a year before I actually did it. When I went and told the therapist about my problems she referred me to a DO that specializes in alternative medicine.


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Hey, I also have fatigue....I feel dizzy at times, twitching in all my muscles, esp. in my head(weird), my nerves twitch constantly ...all day every day...I feel things worse when I am relaxing...I have nausea on and off...and I have chills all the times too...When I first got ill (dizzy)..they thought I had an ear infection and gave be antibiotics...well then I went down hill...I was taking too strong a dose, and I guess my yeast went crazy....I was bed ridden for 3 mths...I thought I was dying...then I started treating myself for candida, and got better,..but not cured , and then 8 months later, found out it was mercury....now i've been detoxing from that (5 mths now)..and am getting better....so there is hope,...I'm pretty sure if I didn't take my health in my own hands (candida, now mercury detox)...I would have died...(not kidding).....Anyways, this may be a personal question Aaron, but how are your bowel movements????It is very important to be having at least 2 good ones a day...Or the Iv's just keep the toxins in...I did buy a very good colon cleanse, and that really helped to clean the colon full of crap(literally)...and I had a series of colonics done(not for everyone, but painless), and what a huge difference that made....my energy increased immediately....I also changed my eating habits...Have you read Huggins book?....If not, i'll tell you what you should eat and NOT eat....Sandra P <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Re: Are all of your amalgams out? #5742
02/05/06 07:47 PM
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Anonymous OP
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Well, it's good to have that end of it taken care of (no pun intended..lol)....Do you have your iv's every 2 weeks...once a month.???

infusions #5743
02/06/06 02:11 PM
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I was getting the infusions every week but that was very hard on me so I moved back to biweekly infusions. I had an infusion last Wednesday and I went ahead and scheduled one for this Thursday but I might reschedule it if I don't start feeling better. I'm having a lot of suicidal thoughts and I'm not sure if I'm going too fast or too slow. Of course there is the possibility that it won't work at all and in that case I don't know if I can keep on going.

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Well, it's good to have that end of it taken care of (no pun intended..lol)....Do you have your iv's every 2 weeks...once a month.???

Re: infusions #5744
02/06/06 03:36 PM
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Carla  Offline
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Are you taking liquid magnesium, zinc, and other nutrients, and eating a supernutritious diet?


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Re: infusions #5745
02/06/06 04:37 PM
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I'm taking nutrtional supplements but not in liquid form. I'm eating a nutritious but not necessarily supernutritious diet.


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Are you taking liquid magnesium, zinc, and other nutrients, and eating a supernutritious diet?

Re: infusions #5746
02/06/06 05:56 PM
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Aaron...I think once a week is too much....you should only do them every 2 weeks or once a month...your body needs time to recover in between....You may be causing your immune system to work overtime....And this is not good..Also, do not take any supplements(zinc,iron etc.) the day of your infusions...the Iv will work on pulling these out instead of the mercury....Sandra P

Re: infusions #5747
02/07/06 09:30 AM
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Anonymous OP
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You're probably right, Sandra. I took nine infusions on a weekly basis and that nearly tore me apart. I will reschedule my next infusion for next week. Also, I will skip my supplements on that day.


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Aaron...I think once a week is too much....you should only do them every 2 weeks or once a month...your body needs time to recover in between....You may be causing your immune system to work overtime....And this is not good..Also, do not take any supplements(zinc,iron etc.) the day of your infusions...the Iv will work on pulling these out instead of the mercury....Sandra P

Re: infusions #5748
02/07/06 02:42 PM
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DMSA is a very aggessive way to detox. I checked into it, but realized that it would be too much for me. As Carla said, you need to be taking a lot of magnesium and zinc because DMSA binds to those as well and removes them from your body.

It sounds like that could be a big part of your problem because low levels of magnesium can cause MANY problems with depression being one of them. I would suggest that you lay off the DMSA for a while and rebuild your good mineral stores. Then when you are feeling better, you might want to try some less dangerous chelation methods such as sodium alginate, selenium or even cilantro.

Re: infusions #5749
02/07/06 03:31 PM
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I don't think I mentioned this before but be sure not to do DMSA within multiples of 7 days of each other. There is some specific information on this in my story:

http://herballure.com/mms



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DMPS #5750
02/12/06 12:02 PM
02/12/06 12:02 PM
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I'm taking DMPS, not DMSA. Does that make a difference?

I feel so sick today that I wish that I was dead.

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DMSA is a very aggessive way to detox. I checked into it, but realized that it would be too much for me. As Carla said, you need to be taking a lot of magnesium and zinc because DMSA binds to those as well and removes them from your body.

It sounds like that could be a big part of your problem because low levels of magnesium can cause MANY problems with depression being one of them. I would suggest that you lay off the DMSA for a while and rebuild your good mineral stores. Then when you are feeling better, you might want to try some less dangerous chelation methods such as sodium alginate, selenium or even cilantro.

magnesium #5751
02/12/06 12:14 PM
02/12/06 12:14 PM
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Are you taking liquid magnesium, zinc, and other nutrients, and eating a supernutritious diet?

I have magnesium capsules but no liquid magnesium. Is that okay? In any case how much should I take on a daily basis?

Re: magnesium #5752
02/12/06 12:54 PM
02/12/06 12:54 PM
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Hello. Now, whatever you do, just hang in there. One day at a time! It's going to come out in the wash.

I am not a medical practitioner, but I can tell you about the magnesium we take here in our household, which is quite something! It is a fine powder that you mix with a bit of hot water, then it fizzes, then you stir it till it is perfectly clear - there is no residue - then you dilute it as you wish and drink like a tea. In other words, it is totally digestible.

It is called "Natural Calm" and manufactured by Peter Gillham's Natural Vitality. www.petergillham.com Contains Mg Citrate, stevia and natural orange flavor. A daily serving is 615 mg but you may need more.

I am not telling you not to take capsules of Mg or Zinc, only that certain preparations are more easily digested than others. For me, liquid nutrients always worked better, for some reason.

The label on Natural Calm will explain when you have had your optimum dosage.

In any case, we here are all thinking of you and know that you will get as healthy as you want - you just have to get thru these crises times (and you will).


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more on magnesium #5753
02/12/06 01:08 PM
02/12/06 01:08 PM
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I was reading some things about magenesium on this website (http://coldcure.com/html/dep.html#caution) and the author says that it is important to find the right kind of magnesium. He suggests magnesium orotate/taurate/chloride/glycinate/aspartate. What do you (particularly Russ and Laura) think of his advice? If those types of magnesium are good how much of them should I take?

Re: more on magnesium #5754
02/12/06 11:26 PM
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I wonder if they are not detoxing you to quickly. You sound sicker than I do and I have 11 amalgams in still. Not every method of detox is going to work for everyone. You have to find what makes you feel better and that may be a more natural route. But, yes how did you mercury get that high with only one amalgam? Hmmm?
Have you looked into detoxing naturally? Using Chlorella and other supplements?


MetalMouthMom
detox #5755
02/13/06 09:43 AM
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That is a possibility. I was having weekly DMPS infusions but I dropped back to biweekly ones because they were tearing me apart. I'm scheduled to get another infusion on Wednesday and I'm going to talk to my doctor then.

Is it possible to get such a high amount of mercury in the body with just one amalgam filling? I am fond of seafood but I don't eat it every day and I haven't had any vaccines in years. Another poster said that Doctors Data Inc. is very reliable but I'm skeptical.
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I wonder if they are not detoxing you to quickly. You sound sicker than I do and I have 11 amalgams in still. Not every method of detox is going to work for everyone. You have to find what makes you feel better and that may be a more natural route. But, yes how did you mercury get that high with only one amalgam? Hmmm?
Have you looked into detoxing naturally? Using Chlorella and other supplements?

Re: more on magnesium #5756
02/14/06 02:53 PM
02/14/06 02:53 PM
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I read through most of the information on this website and he appears to prefer different types of magnesium depending on the health condition. Overall, I think the information was presented in a way that was somewhat confusing.

I actually read where he states that "magnesium oxide and magnesium hydroxide are ineffective and magnesium glutamate and magnesium aspartate are potentially harmful."

He also no longer recommends magnesium glycinate (because he says it can interfere with taurine, an important amino acid for heart function).

So, to best answer your question...

Based on the research I've done, magnesium citrate or malate have been shown to be the most bioavailable forms and better absorbed than magnesium carbonate, chloride or oxide.

Personally, I use Magnesium Complex. I like the fact that it comes in capsule form and I can open the contents and pour them under my tongue for quicker absorption when I need it (like when I've got a muscle cramp or can feel one coming on).

Hope this helps!


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DMPS side effects #5757
02/16/06 09:42 AM
02/16/06 09:42 AM
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Anonymous OP
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I found this information about DMPS side effects so I will definitely slow down. It's been 15 days since my last infusion and I still feel pretty sick.


http://home.earthlink.net/~reversingautism/id4.html


Although IV administered DMPS has been effective and is an excellent chelator, the extreme "peak" and "trough" levels achieved can have potentially negative side effects as a result of too much mercury being mobilized at one point and subsequently, no mercury being pulled out until the next IV treatment. Other complications are due to mineral deficiency which again is a result of rapid and effective removal of metals/minerals but prevents the ability to start a consistent 'pull' of mercury from the system. Due to the potential side effects, IV treatment should not be repeated but every other week. With children below the age of 8, it is also not only difficult to administer an IV, but due to potential side effects, may not be the ideal suggested method of treatment.




Re: DMPS side effects #5758
02/23/06 10:20 AM
02/23/06 10:20 AM
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Anonymous OP
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I had my 15th DMPS infusion yesterday and my suicidal thoughts are kicking up again. I asked my doctor about getting vitamin C intravenously and he has used that before on other patients. However, it would double the cost of my treatment so I am putting that off for now. I may just have to cope with being sick, at least for awhile.

Re: DMPS side effects #5759
02/23/06 01:24 PM
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Have you thought of using some other kind of chelator? It sounds like the "side" effects are the main effects.


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Re: DMPS side effects #5760
02/23/06 02:31 PM
02/23/06 02:31 PM
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I would definitely take a lot of vitamin C orally as soon as possible. I personally would take at least 6 to 8,000 milligrams (6 to 8 grams) right away. You'll probably need to continue taking high amounts of vitamin C over the next 48 hours or so. See how you feel and adjust as needed.

Also, if you have any Algin, take a bunch of it (apart from the vitamin C). This will help absorb what the DMPS has chelated. The fact that you're experiencing these side-effects would suggest that you're reabsorbing mercury.

If you don't have Algin, then use Slippery Elm, and again, lots of it. Keep your bowels moving with lots of liquid. Stay away from fish and possibly even sulphur-bearing foods like eggs (which can be problematic for some mercury toxic people).


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Re: DMPS side effects #5761
02/23/06 05:21 PM
02/23/06 05:21 PM
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I'm feeling better now (knock on wood). I asked my doctor about Algin and he was not familiar with it but he didn't think that it would hurt to try it. I might order some of that soon.

I'll get some vitamin C to take orally and see what that
does.

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I would definitely take a lot of vitamin C orally as soon as possible. I personally would take at least 6 to 8,000 milligrams (6 to 8 grams) right away. You'll probably need to continue taking high amounts of vitamin C over the next 48 hours or so. See how you feel and adjust as needed.

Also, if you have any Algin, take a bunch of it (apart from the vitamin C). This will help absorb what the DMPS has chelated. The fact that you're experiencing these side-effects would suggest that you're reabsorbing mercury.

If you don't have Algin, then use Slippery Elm, and again, lots of it. Keep your bowels moving with lots of liquid. Stay away from fish and possibly even sulphur-bearing foods like eggs (which can be problematic for some mercury toxic people).

sixteen #5762
03/06/06 02:23 PM
03/06/06 02:23 PM
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Anonymous OP
Unregistered

I had my sixteenth DMPS infusion this morning. Afterwards I had 10 grams of IV vitamin C. I mentioned the possibility of getting 50 grams like you recommended, Russ, but the doctor thought that was too much. So far, so bad. I feel like I'm dying and I wish that I would. Actually, Saturday was a pretty good day but I fell apart yesterday from severe panic attacks.

Here is a big question that no one can answer. Even if I get well, is there anything left to live for? At 42 I'm too old to ever have a normal life. Of course I might be thinking that way because I'm sick to begin with. What do you think?

Re: sixteen #5763
03/06/06 04:06 PM
03/06/06 04:06 PM
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Anonymous OP
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Aaron, I know how you feel. I'm 30 and I feel the same - what is there to live for? I get really depressed at times that I just wish I'd never been born at all. It seems like life is just one long road of suffering with very very few happy moments along the way. I am really lonely and don't know what I would do without the internet, honestly. I don't cope well in social situations so have very few friends and I don't see them very much as they work etc.

But I do think that the anxiety from the mercury contributes to me feeling this way because it's known to cause depression, sometimes severe depression.

Looking at things logically, there is plenty to live for. 42 isn't old. You're still able to get married, if you want, and father a child, if you want. In that way men have an advantage over women in that their fertility lasts longer. There is no age limit on happiness. And you know what they say, life begins at 40!

I do think that how much we enjoy this life comes down to our attitudes towards things and to people. I am very introverted, very shy in public (I'm ok emailing on the internet), have pretty low-self-esteem, and feelings of being really ugly and unattractive. I really battle these all the time. But, I don't have to look at myself this way, and maybe when I've had the fillings changed and on detox, my attitudes will change and I'll feel more positive about life in general and my own worth.

In the meantime I try to think what I can do for others in some small way, like charity support and things like that. Have you ever thought about getting a pet? Having an animal to care about might give you something to focus on. People who have pets are said to be happier.

chelation therapy #5764
03/07/06 08:43 AM
03/07/06 08:43 AM
A
Anonymous OP
Unregistered

I am feeling pretty good this morning. Maybe the combination of algin and vitamin C (oral and IV) has helped me cope with the side effects of the detox better.

Yesterday I was talking to some of the other patients at my doctor's office and two of them told me about their success in using chelation therapy for cardiovascular problems. One of them said that he was told by his cardiologist to get out of his office after he told him that he was using chelation therapy, even though his test results were good. That reinforces what someone told me about our health care system. The system isn't made to make people well, it's made to keep people sick.

Re: chelation therapy #5765
03/07/06 12:49 PM
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About the patient who was told by his Dr. to get lost because he used chelation therapy (and his results were good!): You quoted someone who said that the health care system was devised to make people sick, not well.

Not deliberately, I don't think. Doctors who can't make a patient well, when they hear about a patient who used alternatives to do so, fly into a rage because they can't stand to be proved wrong. It is a form of humiliation to them, to have all their knowledge and training go for naught. It is an ego problem, not a deliberate desire to make people ill. Or so it seems to me.



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Re: chelation therapy #5766
03/07/06 01:57 PM
03/07/06 01:57 PM
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I'm not saying that all doctors are responsible for this situation. In many cases they aren't taught how to make people well, just to treat the symptoms of illnesses. The problem is found at the root of the system and spreads out into the branches.


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About the patient who was told by his Dr. to get lost because he used chelation therapy (and his results were good!): You quoted someone who said that the health care system was devised to make people sick, not well.

Not deliberately, I don't think. Doctors who can't make a patient well, when they hear about a patient who used alternatives to do so, fly into a rage because they can't stand to be proved wrong. It is a form of humiliation to them, to have all their knowledge and training go for naught. It is an ego problem, not a deliberate desire to make people ill. Or so it seems to me.


Re: chelation therapy #5767
03/07/06 09:45 PM
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Russ  Online Content

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Aaron,

Hang in there. You're on your way.

I have to say that I strongly disagree with your Doctor saying that 50 grams was too much. Knowing what I know now, I would not think of taking chelation without it. We were fortunate enough to have a Doctor that knew about post chelation vitamin C.

Nevertheless, you can still ask for a smaller amount if he's willing (and see the difference for yourself) or take it orally when you get home, but don't take 50 grams orally. You'll have to lower it to something like 5 grams working up to 10 but spread it throughout the day.

Your on the rollar coaster—one step closer to success. Hold on because it feels good when you get off of it.


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brain damage #5768
03/10/06 03:59 PM
03/10/06 03:59 PM
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I hope that you're right, Russ. I have many problems to deal with. I took a lot of psychiatric drugs over the course of 12 years and I fear that they caused permanent brain damage, assuming I didn't start with permanent brain damage. One of the drugs, lorazepam (brand name Ativan) is one of the most addictive drugs in the world and I almost had seizures coming off of it. In light of that what is the possibility that I will ever get well?

Also, if all of this works why should I go on living? It's too late in life for me to marry and have a family and I suffer from terrible loneliness. Is the loneliness caused by being alone or is the loneliness caused by being depressed (possibly caused by mercury) or is it from both things? Russ, you said that you felt lonely for most of your life until you detoxified. Did the circumstances of your life change or was it purely a neurological/biochemical change due to the detoxification that made you feel better?


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Aaron,

Hang in there. You're on your way.

I have to say that I strongly disagree with your Doctor saying that 50 grams was too much. Knowing what I know now, I would not think of taking chelation without it. We were fortunate enough to have a Doctor that knew about post chelation vitamin C.

Nevertheless, you can still ask for a smaller amount if he's willing (and see the difference for yourself) or take it orally when you get home, but don't take 50 grams orally. You'll have to lower it to something like 5 grams working up to 10 but spread it throughout the day.

Your on the rollar coaster—one step closer to success. Hold on because it feels good when you get off of it.

Re: brain damage #5769
03/10/06 05:39 PM
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Russ  Online Content

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Aaron,

The loneliness I suffered from was so severe that I tried killing myself as a teen one time, but someone intervened. I lived with loneliness all of my life and it was very difficult to believe that going on with the next day was worth it.

I had suidical thoughts from my early teen years all the way through 2000, when my fillings were removed. After the removal, the lonliness went away as well as the suicidal thoughts.

I firmly believe that mercury has always been at the heart of my depression and suicidal thoughts. I was also extremely shy, had very low self esteem, and was very socially withdrawn. Again, I blame this 100% on mercuy because these issues have magically disappeared since the amalgam removal.

Fact is, mercury has stolen most of my life.

I believe that I'm single today, not because I didn't have several great relationships in which I could easily have gotten married. The problem is that I was too afraid of commitment. My loss, and I blame it completely on mercury because since my amalgam removal, I am no longer afraid of commitment. In fact, most of my myriad of fears I had while the fillings were in are now gone. I blame mercury for causing me to reach 41 years of age, single, and just now being able to start "living".

If I was a doctor, considering what you're going through, I would NOT have you on any strong form of chelation at all. Being this sick is just your body telling you that something is wrong, probably that you have high blood-mercury levels.

This is why I believe in slow and gentle detox.

You have to make your own decisions and I don't give medical advice because I'm not a doctor and don't wish to be, but if I were you, I'd stop chelation completely and begin with nothing more than a good diet and daily Algin and lots of vitamin C. I would do this for 30 days and then see how I was feeling. I would also keep a journal and rate how you feel daily and see if there are patterns to your emotional state.

It seems obvious to me that mercury mobilized by the chelation is causing your problems.

Anyway, these are your choices and I hope you take some action. It seems like a simple soution. If you keep doing the same thing, I would expect you will continue to get the same result, so I really hope you stop the chelation.

If you feel suicidal, by all means, call someone and get help. Suicide is NOT the answer, and the emotions you feel are likely nothing more than the mercury affecting you. Mercury does that.

You asked if all this works, why should you go on living.

I would say for the same reason I'm glad I went on living. It's worth it, once you get the mercury under control, which I believe you CAN do. You simply have to make some decisions.

You are in the unique position to help the millions of people who are suffering from the same issues you are. You can relate to them. They can respect you because "you've been there".

If you give up, you could be a discouragement to those people. If you push on and eventually get better—which you can do—you will be an inspiration and an encouragement to these people. You will likely save some of their lives by being an encouragement that they can respect.

It feels good to help people. The best compliment I ever got was at a convention a couple years ago. A person came up to me and said, "I know 1, maybe 2 people who are alive today because of your book." That feels good. If I had comitted suicide, I would have missed out on this great opportunity to affect peoples lives. You can experience the same great reward, especially because you've suffered so much. You will be listened to and respected.

As far as what you said about being too late to marry and have a family; perhaps so, perhaps not. Either way, you can have an affect on this world and you CAN have relationships. There are many out there who feel the same way you do and yet, happiness is just a few steps away.

So, I personally I hope you stop the chelation and take only algin and vitamin c for a month and see what happens. I bet you'll be feeling a whole lot better about life then and you'll be glad you kept going. it's very worth it.


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Re: brain damage #5770
03/10/06 06:23 PM
03/10/06 06:23 PM
Laura Clement  Offline

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Aaron,

I looked up some information for you that I thought might help encourage you. The body has amazing recuperative powers. Plus, studies have shown that if you supplement essential nutrients, the body is better able to repair itself, even in situations involving the brain.

For example, I copied the summary from a recent article published in the Alternative Medicine Review:

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Degenerative brain disorders (neurodegeneration) can be frustrating for both conventional and alternative practitioners. A more comprehensive, integrative approach is urgently needed. One emerging focus for intervention is brain energetics. Specifically, mitochondrial insufficiency contributes to the etiopathology of many such disorders. Electron leakages inherent to mitochondrial energetics generate reactive oxygen free radical species that may place the ultimate limit on lifespan. Exogenous toxins, such as mercury and other environmental contaminants, exacerbate mitochondrial electron leakage, hastening their demise and that of their host cells. Studies of the brain in Alzheimer's and other dementias, Down syndrome, stroke, Parkinson's disease, multiple sclerosis, amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, Huntington's disease, Friedreich's ataxia, aging, and constitutive disorders demonstrate impairments of the mitochondrial citric acid cycle and oxidative phosphorylation (OXPHOS) enzymes. Imaging or metabolic assays frequently reveal energetic insufficiency and depleted energy reserve in brain tissue in situ. Orthomolecular nutrients involved in mitochondrial metabolism provide clinical benefit. Among these are the essential minerals and the B vitamin group; vitamins E and K; and the antioxidant and energetic cofactors alpha-lipoic acid (ALA), ubiquinone (coenzyme Q10; CoQ10), and nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide, reduced (NADH). Recent advances in the area of stem cells and growth factors encourage optimism regarding brain regeneration. The trophic nutrients acetyl L-carnitine (ALCAR), glycerophosphocholine (GPC), and phosphatidylserine (PS) provide mitochondrial support and conserve growth factor receptors; all three improved cognition in double-blind trials. The omega-3 fatty acid docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) is enzymatically combined with GPC and PS to form membrane phospholipids for nerve cell expansion. Practical recommendations are presented for integrating these safe and well-tolerated orthomolecular nutrients into a comprehensive dietary supplementation program for brain vitality and productive lifespan.


Although a lot of this information is quite technical, in essence, the brain requires certain essential nutrients for nerve cell regrowth and repair. Coenzyme Q10 (CoQ10) is one of these important nutrients, as is DHA from fish oils.

Both of these nutrients are fine to take and are even recommended for people with mercury toxicity. You just have to make sure that you get DHA from a company that rigorously tests their fish oils for mercury and other heavy metal contaminants. NSP does (they adhere to California's Proposition 65 - the strictest legislation in the country), which is why I take their supplements almost exclusively...I obviously don't want to be taking a product that's going to put more mercury back into my body.

In any case, the body is an amazing creation, and getting the mercury out is a huge step toward recovery. I, too, had big problems with loneliness and depression, although I think my pessimism and extreme negativity did more damage for me socially than anything else.

But honestly, getting the amalgams out and then taking my detox slow and steady has absolutely changed my life. I've had up and down days, but the overall trend of my life has been continued improvement. Whereas once I was the most negative person you've probably ever met, I've actually now a fairly optimistic person. And it's all because of the absence of mercury poisoning my body and mind 24/7.

I'm 39 and have never been married or had children. But now that the mercury is out, I'm fine with it. In fact, I now believe it's a tremendous blessing that I'm single, because I can devote myself to my work and helping others and I don't have to worry that I'm neglecting a husband or children.

I'm so free now, whereas before, I constantly felt confined, claustrophobic, stressed-out, fearful, anxious and worried, and like an elephant was constantly sitting on my chest. Life has so much to offer, but I couldn't see that before, no matter how hard my friends tried to show me. It was like a part of my brain wasn't functioning and I couldn't really comprehend anything positive.

I don't mean to carry on. What I'm really trying to do is let you know that a lot of us can identify with what you're feeling. We've been there, in one way or another. But the good news is that there really is hope for a better future. It may not happen overnight, but your life will get better.

The key is to give your body time to heal. If possible, give your body nutrients that will help it heal. Don't try to detox too quickly, because you can really make things worse for yourself. Start simple. Make healthy food choices. Take algin if you can to absorb the mercury so it doesn't get redistributed. Take lots of vitamin C. If you can handle exercising without getting sick, do it in moderation. Sweating is a great way to get rid of toxins. (You may want to take algin before and after because vigorous activity can really stir things up and mobilize mercury.) As you start feeling better and stronger, if you're worried about your brain, take things like CoQ10 and DHA. Lecithin is also good for the brain.

Keep us posted on how you're doing. We're all here to help each other. Your family, friends and/or co-workers may understand what you're going through, but I think it's safe to say WE all do. So, let us know whenever we can help.


Laura Clement
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My Favorite Amalgam-Illness Book
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Re: brain damage #5771
03/10/06 09:20 PM
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Russ and Laura, thanks for your encouragement. I might postpone my next DMPS infusion for a month and see how I feel. I think that DMPS is good for some people but, as you say, I'm probably going too fast. It took awhile for me to admit that having infusions once a week was too much and even the biweekly infusions may be too much.

Can algin and vitamin C alone detoxify the body?

I hope that you're right and things seem so hopeless because I'm looking at my life through a malfunctioning brain. I tried to address the problem with (legal) drugs but that ended up making things worse. I hope that this really works.

Some people want me to go to another psychiatrist and so far I have resisted that because I know how dangerous psychiatric drugs are. However, at times the pain is so bad that I'm tempted to go that way.

chelation therapy #5772
03/13/06 09:51 AM
03/13/06 09:51 AM
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Anonymous OP
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Russ, I cancelled my next DMPS infusion. I'll wait until next month to resume the chelation therapy. Until then I will take your advice and take a lot of algin and vitamin C.


Re: chelation therapy #5773
03/14/06 07:21 AM
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Dear Aaron,

I have experienced the exact same loneliness your experiencing even though i am blessed enough to have a very special man in my life who loves me more then anything else in the world and a close supportive family. But since i got sick like this i have at times felt like i was the only one living on this planet, an allconsuming loneliness that you cant really describe to anyone. And Yet even though i feel so lonely and have someone in my life i am constantly pushing him away and finding reasons for why we should'nt be together, this though, only when im feeling bad. When Im having a good day i think what the hell was i thinking and count my blessings. And then there are days when i feel so depressed, i'd be so happy to die because death seems so much better then living, but again IT DOES PASS, and it will for you to. I can relate so much to what you are going through but I PROMISE you will get better and you will look back on this and laugh. When im having a good day i have to laugh at myself and how silly i was to be lonely and depressed. Been 3 weeks now since ive had the amalgam removed and im doing it Russ and Lauras way. Taking it nice and slow, only taking vitamins and going to start the Algin, no chemicals for me, i felt terrible after the removal, clung to my sanity with all my might and for the last few days been breaking up with him again but i just HANG ON because i know that its not really me and that this and the irrational thoughts ARE all because ive been poisoned. Please take Russ' advice and take it easy. Your body has taken a hammering, give it a chance. if you think back to how long it took all the mercury to get into your system it will take a while to get out. and its not to late for you, in any way. Try to find a relaxing hobby or something to keep your mind occupied, i know its hard and all you can think of is the loneliness and how sick you feel etc but it really helps to turn your thoughts outward and not inward, because the more you examine and meditate on how bad and lonely you feel the worse you will feel. Something that helped me alot was to start saying YES to myself. YES i am on the road to recovery, YES i will feel well again, YES this day is a blessing and i will do all i can to stay positive, Yes I can get through this, YES i desserve to be happy. Try it, you'll feel this strength well up inside you, you'll start smiling and start empowering yourself and MOST imporantly, you'll start healing yourself from within. My boyfriend calls me a No in a dress cause i say no to everything and everyone (no im not getting better, no i dont want to ruin his life by being part of it, no i will never feel normal or sain again, no i dont want to try anything new because im too sick, no i cant laugh cause ive got so much to be sad about) but since ive started saying YES i feel so truly LIBERATED from my own negative mind. I think when you think positively your body kicks into a healing process and heals every aspect of your body, soul and psyche. PLEASE TRY IT, i know it works!!!

Take care, God bless and remember THIS TOO SHALL PASS!!

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03/21/06 11:43 AM
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I felt pretty good last night and I still feel okay. I hope that this lasts for awhile.

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Great to hear you're feeling better. Keep us posted and let's see if the DMPS break helps.


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Re: feeling better #5776
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I felt good this morning and yesterday morning. That hasn't happened in a very long time. Now I'm being hit by fatigue, however. I have a long way to go but I hope that this is the beginning of freedom for me.

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Being on a rollar coaster ride is to be expected, but now that you've stopped DMPS, you may notice that the highs are more frequent and the lows are not as low.

In other words, there are still ups and downs but the trend line is up.

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03/31/06 09:57 AM
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I feel very low today. It's like I can barely remember the good days that I had last week. I hope that I reach a high point again in the near future.


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If you had a good day just last week, that's a great sign. I think they'll become better and more frequent. It just takes times.

Make sure you keep track of what you ate the day before and what supplements you took so you can start to see patterns.

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04/09/06 10:40 PM
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I took a month of from the DMPS and that did seem to help. I had my 17th infusion on Friday and I felt good for most of that day but now I'm feeling suicidal again. The DMPS definitely aggravates my suicidal tendencies. I will probably wait three or four weeks before I take another infusion.

Laura and Russ, I reread your words of encouragement and I hope that you're right because right now I feel that there is nothing to live for.

I'm trying to go to this special clinic in Reston, VA (see www.amenclinic.com) for brain scans. Most psychiatrists don't use brain scans but the doctor that established this clinic believes that they are very helpful. He uses drugs but he also uses alternative medicine. Unfortunately, I am going to have to fight with managed health care where I work to get the money to go and that won't be easy.


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04/10/06 02:28 AM
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Aaron,

If infusions affect you this way, perhaps you should stop them for now altogether. What do you think?


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Re: suicidal #5782
04/10/06 09:20 AM
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I've thought about that, Russ. However, I'm not certain that the algin and vitamin C alone will be sufficient to detoxify me. After 20 infusions I'll be tested for mercury again and I probably won't take any more DMPS. I will space these last few infusions out a lot more than I did the earlier ones.




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Aaron,

If infusions affect you this way, perhaps you should stop them for now altogether. What do you think?

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04/10/06 11:51 AM
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Good luck,....Just because you detox slowly doesn't mean you'll feel better later......Dmps does remove the mercury much faster(i did them)..but the healing after and symptom removal takes a lot longer than natural means....because your body goes through much trauma....going slowly gets the mercury out slower...but your symptoms will go away faster, because your body isn't being shocked all the time.....your symptoms can go away before all the mercury is out....just so you know this...take care, Sandra

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04/10/06 02:49 PM
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Thanks for the information, Sandra. It's hard to know what to do.


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Good luck,....Just because you detox slowly doesn't mean you'll feel better later......Dmps does remove the mercury much faster(i did them)..but the healing after and symptom removal takes a lot longer than natural means....because your body goes through much trauma....going slowly gets the mercury out slower...but your symptoms will go away faster, because your body isn't being shocked all the time.....your symptoms can go away before all the mercury is out....just so you know this...take care, Sandra

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04/10/06 06:25 PM
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I chose to detox slowly because I had to live and work in the mean time. It worked well for me and I'm better now without going through any trauma (except that I did 3 DMPS initially, which was only a little traumatic for me but much moreso for my business partner Laura).

The way I view it is if you detox quickly, you will have a lot more redistribution than if you detox slowly. This will cause more tissue damage. You will get more mercury out more quickly but at what price in terms of damage.

if you move the mercury out slowly and in a controlled fashion making sure that as little redistribution takes places as possible, you will have less collateral damage. Of course, that's assuming that the "static" mercury in the tissue doesn't do damage, but it most likely does, so, what is the right answer? I don't know.

It's really up to you but with the horrible suicidal feelings you've been having, I might slow down a bit if I was in your shoes.

Just a thought.


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Re: Tradeoffs #5786
04/11/06 10:24 AM
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That makes sense, Russ. I think that I'll ask my doctor if I can have a challenge test after the next infusion rather than waiting until the 20th one.



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I chose to detox slowly because I had to live and work in the mean time. It worked well for me and I'm better now without going through any trauma (except that I did 3 DMPS initially, which was only a little traumatic for me but much moreso for my business partner Laura).

The way I view it is if you detox quickly, you will have a lot more redistribution than if you detox slowly. This will cause more tissue damage. You will get more mercury out more quickly but at what price in terms of damage.

if you move the mercury out slowly and in a controlled fashion making sure that as little redistribution takes places as possible, you will have less collateral damage. Of course, that's assuming that the "static" mercury in the tissue doesn't do damage, but it most likely does, so, what is the right answer? I don't know.

It's really up to you but with the horrible suicidal feelings you've been having, I might slow down a bit if I was in your shoes.

Just a thought.

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04/13/06 10:31 AM
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I'm as fat as a pig. I weigh 235 pounds which is the heaviest that I've ever been. Is that due to my age (42) and diet or could mercury have something to do with this?

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Aaron,

I went from 32 waist 180 pounds to 42 waist 250 pounds in less than 3 years when I entered stage 3 mercury. This was after being the same size/weight all my adult life. Then, I could not lose the weight no matter what I did.

I've been slowly and steadly losing weight for the past several years without even trying since my fillings have been replaced.

I personally believe mercury is one of the main causes of weight issues in the U.S.

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04/14/06 11:29 AM
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I hope that happens with me, Russ. I'm addicted to food. I know that I should eat less and eat better food but I often can't control myself. Of course since I feel depressed and suicidal it's easy to have a "what the hell" attitude.

I have read that processed food has chemicals in it that make people addicted. Kevin Trudeau discusses that in his book "Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You To Know About".

I am going to meet with my doctor next week to discuss how I should proceed since the DMPS seems to be too much for me to handle. I'm willing to take one more infusion for the challenge test but, as you say, I need to find a slower and gentler way to detoxify. I'm still taking algin and vitamin C along with some other supplements.


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Aaron,

I went from 32 waist 180 pounds to 42 waist 250 pounds in less than 3 years when I entered stage 3 mercury. This was after being the same size/weight all my adult life. Then, I could not lose the weight no matter what I did.

I've been slowly and steadly losing weight for the past several years without even trying since my fillings have been replaced.

I personally believe mercury is one of the main causes of weight issues in the U.S.

http://herballure.com/mms

Only One Day Away! #5790
04/16/06 05:12 AM
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After spending most of my life in depression, self-hate, and eating like there is no tomorrow, I can relate. I think the only reason I didn't gain weight until my mercury toxicity went into stage 3 is because I was very athletic and active.

Among the most important things I've learned in life (and not without difficulty) is:

1. Love Yourself

This is so frowned upon in American culture (and many others), but this is so unfortunate.

So many suffer growing up with the idea that they are not allowed to care about themselves or they will be considered self-centered. I think the healthy way is to first learn to love yourself and then learn to put others before yourself. There is a big difference.

Are you worth all this love?

If you're alive on this planet, yes you are and it's never too late to start!

Those who love themselves—but not in a vain way—are those few who stick with you when times get tough. They make true friends of the type you meet only once or thrice in a lifetime. If you want this kind of friend, you need to be this kind of friend, and you can be.

2. Fight Your Heart

I am so done hearing over and over—in the media, on television, in movies—the phrase, "Follow your heart." Assuming this means "follow your emotions", few things can be more harmful to a person.

Our hearts are not logical. They are not steady and they do not discern. Our hearts tell us to do things that can be harmful and impulsive and not beneficial for anybody.

Rather, we should follow our minds. We should learn what is, for example, good to eat; Design a diet and follow it. It's like working and getting paid after. If you do the work of designing a good diet and then discipline yourself by following it, you will be paid with the great reward of feeling better, losing weight, feeling better about ourselves and it gives us more confidence to be even more disciplined in the future. It's a positive feedback cycle that drives us toward excellence if we let it.

We need also to change our views of discipline and following a plan. Instead of seeing it as "all the things we can't do", we need to see it as the freedom it gives us to be fit, feel physically strong and to feel confident in ourselves.

This type of discipline together with the intellect to make a good plan is what allows us to make commitments. Unfortunately, so many people I know look at commitments as a prison; All the things you can't do. However, a commitment is really a plan with discipline that allows you special privileges.

The commitment to a job gives you the privilege of receiving a paycheck from the firm that employs you. The person next door does not get a paycheck from the firm you work for because they have no commitment to them.

A commitment to your friends gives you the ability to visit them, have dinner with them and otherwise enjoy their company.

The commitment of marriage gives you privilege to your spouse; Access to secrets, love, and other types of intimacy that are otherwise not accessible.

And a commitment to yourself gives you the power to feel better, look better, and have more self confidence than you ever thought possible.

All of this may seem idealistic, but really, life was designed to be idealistic and just as you wish for your children to receive all the gifts life has to offer, so you are entitled to wonderful things so long as you are willing to commit.

Just like knowing yourself is the best education to knowing others, making a commitment to yourself is the best way to learn how to be committed to others.

Sorry, didn't mean to launch into a book here. I just have strong feelings about the power and ability people have to help themselves when they're armed with the truth.

Food chemicals, childhood abuse, self-hate, or whatever the obstacles you face, you're always always always just one day away from a better day.

All the best!


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Re: Only One Day Away! #5791
04/17/06 09:31 AM
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I hope that you're right, Russ. I've been waiting for that day for 42 years. My suicidal thoughts diminished somewhat over the weekend but I'm still not a happy camper. I don't see any reason to go on living.

You really are happy being single? Of course even marriage can't bring happiness if you're sick but I marvel at people like you and Laura that can be happy when you are single.

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After spending most of my life in depression, self-hate, and eating like there is no tomorrow, I can relate. I think the only reason I didn't gain weight until my mercury toxicity went into stage 3 is because I was very athletic and active.

Among the most important things I've learned in life (and not without difficulty) is:

1. Love Yourself

This is so frowned upon in American culture (and many others), but this is so unfortunate.

So many suffer growing up with the idea that they are not allowed to care about themselves or they will be considered self-centered. I think the healthy way is to first learn to love yourself and then learn to put others before yourself. There is a big difference.

Are you worth all this love?

If you're alive on this planet, yes you are and it's never too late to start!

Those who love themselves—but not in a vain way—are those few who stick with you when times get tough. They make true friends of the type you meet only once or thrice in a lifetime. If you want this kind of friend, you need to be this kind of friend, and you can be.

2. Fight Your Heart

I am so done hearing over and over—in the media, on television, in movies—the phrase, "Follow your heart." Assuming this means "follow your emotions", few things can be more harmful to a person.

Our hearts are not logical. They are not steady and they do not discern. Our hearts tell us to do things that can be harmful and impulsive and not beneficial for anybody.

Rather, we should follow our minds. We should learn what is, for example, good to eat; Design a diet and follow it. It's like working and getting paid after. If you do the work of designing a good diet and then discipline yourself by following it, you will be paid with the great reward of feeling better, losing weight, feeling better about ourselves and it gives us more confidence to be even more disciplined in the future. It's a positive feedback cycle that drives us toward excellence if we let it.

We need also to change our views of discipline and following a plan. Instead of seeing it as "all the things we can't do", we need to see it as the freedom it gives us to be fit, feel physically strong and to feel confident in ourselves.

This type of discipline together with the intellect to make a good plan is what allows us to make commitments. Unfortunately, so many people I know look at commitments as a prison; All the things you can't do. However, a commitment is really a plan with discipline that allows you special privileges.

The commitment to a job gives you the privilege of receiving a paycheck from the firm that employs you. The person next door does not get a paycheck from the firm you work for because they have no commitment to them.

A commitment to your friends gives you the ability to visit them, have dinner with them and otherwise enjoy their company.

The commitment of marriage gives you privilege to your spouse; Access to secrets, love, and other types of intimacy that are otherwise not accessible.

And a commitment to yourself gives you the power to feel better, look better, and have more self confidence than you ever thought possible.

All of this may seem idealistic, but really, life was designed to be idealistic and just as you wish for your children to receive all the gifts life has to offer, so you are entitled to wonderful things so long as you are willing to commit.

Just like knowing yourself is the best education to knowing others, making a commitment to yourself is the best way to learn how to be committed to others.

Sorry, didn't mean to launch into a book here. I just have strong feelings about the power and ability people have to help themselves when they're armed with the truth.

Food chemicals, childhood abuse, self-hate, or whatever the obstacles you face, you're always always always just one day away from a better day.

All the best!

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04/18/06 05:30 AM
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<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> Attention everyone!!!

THE LL'S MAGNETIC CLAY BATHS AND THE MOORBATH ARE EXCELLENT FOR DETOXING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

I don't recommend the DMPS as it chelates to fast and redistributes the mercury even more. This can cause permanent damage of all kinds. I'm so glad I found this information before I almost decided to try it. I was so sick before I got my amalgams and other heavy metals out of my mouth that I feelt I had only months, weeks, and maybe only days left to live! I believe if I were to try the DMPS it would have been the last straw that would make me finally kick the bucket.

I was taking about 50 doses of herbs and vitamins a day that did alot of good at first but after awhile nothing would work. As soon as I gave up and thought "This is it I'm going to die!" my finace discovered on the internet the LL's magnetic bentonite clay bathes. Then we both discovered the Moorbath deap peat by Dermamed. I cannot stress enough how wonderful it was to find these bathes. It was an answer to our prayers. It was incredible how effective yet gentle this clay and deep peat worked.! I felt revived of all my symtoms of migraines, dizzyness, nausea, severe memory loss, confusion, severe tremors, and the sadated drugged feeling I had most of the time! I do believe that I would have been dead by now if it weren't for the detoxing of these bathes.

The Moorbath worked best before the amalgams and other heavy metals were removed from my mouth, since it was alittle more powerful, than the clay. I used this every 3 days. Now that all the toxins are out of my mouth, the LL's magnetic clay works more affectively. I detox with this clay and also the deap peat about every 5 days now and they still relieve all the symptoms without any side affects!

Even though I suffered alot throughout my life, it will not be a waste if it will prevent others from going through what I did. I believe the Lord keep me alive so that I would live to warn others of many things I had experienced.

Also so that we may all stick togather and fight against negligence, and toxic dental materials that have made most of our lives miserable to say the least!

I hope you won't suffer with the side affects of the DMPS physically and emotionally any longer. I hope you will try the clay and /or the deep peat bathes for your own sake and feel better each and everyday rather than worse. As for the doctor giving you some pharmacutical drugs I myself do not believe in them if I can get rid of an illness naturally.

Also St. Johns wort is excellent for depression. It worked on me when I needed it several years ago. Its a natural herb but it will not mix with many other things like other anti-depressents, pharmacuticals, and some other types of herbs.

Also when you go to the doctor next time I would ask him or her what the scientific name is for my condition. If it were me, I would go to the health food store and find natural herbs that would help the body heal itself, making my immune system stronger as most pharmacuticals can't do. Most medications have negative side affects making you sicker rather than healthier.

I have the book," Prescription for Nutritional Healling," (3rd edition) by James and Phyliss Balch, which is an excellent book that explains what foods and herbs are best for certain conditions. It also tells you who can and can not take a particular herb. It's in most heath food stores as a reference.

If you want to know where I got the LL"s magnetic clay bath I got it from Alive and aware natural health e-bay store. If you want to know where I got the Moorbath. I went to www.dermamed.com, then I clicked "Specalty products," and than I clicked," Moorbath." Please note that on this web-site it says not to use the Moorbath if you have high blood pressure. The clay and the deep peat are both very inexpensive, about $7. a bath.

I hope the best for you and everyone else on this forum and will be praying for you all.

God bless you and Good Luck on your way to recovery. [color:"red"] [/color]

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04/18/06 07:15 AM
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Hi Scarlet,

Welcome to the forum and I look forward to hearing your whole story. In fact, please email it to me and I'll publish in a number of places on the web.

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Re: Only One Day Away! #5794
04/18/06 08:03 AM
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Aaron,

You said...

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You really are happy being single? Of course even marriage can't bring happiness if you're sick but I marvel at people like you and Laura that can be happy when you are single.

I truly believe that you cannot bring strength into a relationship if you're needy or afraid. I've also learned that there are no shortcuts in life. There are things that look like shortcuts, but they actually lead you back to where you started, and not without some pain.

I also can't tell you how often people try to get Laura and I to have a relationship. It's just an accepted part of our friendships with other people.

There is a saying...

"Principles are not broken; they are violated and people are broken."

Learned that years ago from the amazingly brilliant people in the U.S. Taxpayers Party (now the Constitution Party) which I worked for (and so did Laura). We worked right at the top of the Florida group and discovered that this is an amazing group of brilliant people.

Anyway, the saying sounds kinda' cold but really, it's excellent. It's like a roadmap saying, "Don't go down here or you'll be sorry." It's really good to know so you can avoid trying shortcuts or breaking principles.

About being single...

I have had many great relationships, almost all of which would have become marriages if I hadn't been on mercury. I was too reluctant to commit (too afraid because of the mercury) and I missed out, nevertheless, I am happy being single, but it wasn't easy getting here.

The bottom line for me is that I'm a believer in Christ. I'm not a dumbed-down, emotionally-based, glazed-faced believer either. I'm an intellect who has searched, researched, considered, reconsidered, contemplated, computed and reputed and finally came up with the answer to the universe...

42

Just kidding (name that movie)!

I'm a real believer that has discovered through research that the Bible is what it says it is and Christ is exactly who He says He is. I don't color the truth to fit my feelings. For me, that would be meaningless and incredibly arrogant of me. I prefer to learn the truth and then swim downstream—"let the data lead you." as some great scientists have said in reference to not letting selfish emotion color your perception.

That's not to say everything in my life is the way I want it to be. It isn't. But I'm headed in the right direction and if I die tomorrow, I can have peace about it.

I'm saying all this to say that I believe anyone can feel this way if they're willing to do the work—and believe me, it takes work. The work to know themselves, to find Truth for themselves (everyone has to do this for themselves but not by themselves), and to get comfortable with life. Not easy, but few things good are easy. If you have a mind—which I get a strong impression that you do, and a good one at that—you're equipped for the climb.

It's not a race. Just a path to take at your own pace.

For me, it's been an uphill battle all the way, and with one attempted suicide that virtually none of my family even know about (are there any watching this forum <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" /> ), years of depression, a lost childhood, foster homes, much physical pain and tens-of-thousands of tears (I hide them well), I made it here to a place where I am basically happy, but with lots of room or improvement.

Would I like family? You bet, in a big way. I've never cheated on a girlfriend, love long walks on the beach, must love dogs... (kidding) <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Learned to be content in the condition I'm in and have accepted that work keeps me from almost any social life which keeps me from any relationships, and all this for over 7 years now. Not ironically, I started this business (Herb Allure) in 1997.

I know this mercury thing is giving you a really hard time but I'm convinced you'll make it though and you'll have one amazing story to tell, and you should tell it all the time to anyone who will listen. It will be a tremendous encouragement to them and will move people in a way that my story never will.

One of my sayings when times get hard is stolen from an old REO song... "Keep pushing". Funny to say, I actually said that today because I'm suffocating in my work load and trying not to get overwhelmed.

I would love to see you consider some of these therapies that are working for other people. Have you tried the bentonite bath thing? That may really help you. Actually, I'd really like to know if it works for you knowing how much trouble you're going through.

Well, I hope you keep pushing and keep searching for any source of exposure to anything that may be aggravating your symptoms. There is indeed a cause for everything and there is a reason you're having much trouble with this. We just have to continue searching and we'll find out what it is.

And remember, if you feel suicidal, call someone for help. I felt suicidal most of my life when the mercury was in and it's very difficult to deal with, I know very well, but I'm so very glad I kept going. Now I have people who come back and thank me for the work I do in my life and it's my greatest reward and most powerful motivation to hear those words.

You're on that road as well so please keep us posted and let me know if you decided to try one of those baths.

All the best (it's coming!)...


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Re: Only One Day Away! #5795
04/18/06 12:13 PM
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I'm also a Christian, Russ. I accepted Christ when I was 18. However, many years of suffering have weakened my faith and I don't want to live any longer.

I'm seeing my doctor today and my therapist tomorrow to figure out what my options are. I don't have many cards left to play with.

Re: suicidal #5796
04/18/06 02:20 PM
04/18/06 02:20 PM
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Anonymous OP
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Scarelt cant you tell us more about the clay and baths?

ie do you drink the clay or is it just for a bath?

Re: Only One Day Away! #5797
04/18/06 07:09 PM
04/18/06 07:09 PM
Russ  Online Content

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Aaron,

I wish you the best of luck. I wish you would try one of the baths and see if that helps. I've seen many instances where a particular therapy works wonderfully for someone and their whole life changes as a result. Or, is there perhaps a reason you don't want to try them? Just curious.


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Re: Are all of your amalgams out? #5798
04/19/06 10:27 AM
04/19/06 10:27 AM
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Anonymous OP
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Aaron

Burning feet and stiff achey muscles are symptoms of hypothyroidism, which mercury causes. Hypothyroidism will also make you horribly depressed. Have you had your thyroid checked? Your mental state may improve if you take thryoid medication like Armour, a combined T3 / T4 medication, rather than a straightforward T4 med like Synthroid. You need to have your Free T3 and T4 checked. Most mercury toxic people have a problem converting T4 to T3. Taking thyroid meds are really lift the depression, ease the fatigue, and get rid of the burning feet. It's worth checking out with symptoms like yours. I hope you're having a better day today.


Re: Are all of your amalgams out? #5799
04/19/06 06:12 PM
04/19/06 06:12 PM
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A agree Aaron with the previous post.

Let us know how we can help; but, of course, you have to be willing to try new things and not to give up. You can do this.


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DMSA #5800
04/20/06 10:59 AM
04/20/06 10:59 AM
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I saw my doctor on Tuesday and I told him that the DMPS is too much for me. He put me on DMSA, 100 mg every other day. I will see if I can tolerate that and I will keep on taking algin and vitamin C. I plan to be tested for mercury again in about a month and that will require another infusion of DMPS.

Thanks for the information about thyroid problems. My feet burn every day. However, they are totally flat and I am about 50 pounds overweight so that may be the cause. I can have surgery on my feet to raise my arches (requires a long recovery period) but before I resort to major surgery while I'm in a weakened state I want to address other issues.

Thanks for all of the information and support that you have given me.

weight gain #5801
04/20/06 04:39 PM
04/20/06 04:39 PM
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Anonymous OP
Unregistered

Would hypothyroidism cause weight gain? I will ask my doctor about this.

Russ, I am open to trying many different things but I can only do a few things due to financial limitations. Being sick sure is expensive.


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Aaron

Burning feet and stiff achey muscles are symptoms of hypothyroidism, which mercury causes. Hypothyroidism will also make you horribly depressed. Have you had your thyroid checked? Your mental state may improve if you take thryoid medication like Armour, a combined T3 / T4 medication, rather than a straightforward T4 med like Synthroid. You need to have your Free T3 and T4 checked. Most mercury toxic people have a problem converting T4 to T3. Taking thyroid meds are really lift the depression, ease the fatigue, and get rid of the burning feet. It's worth checking out with symptoms like yours. I hope you're having a better day today.


Re: weight gain #5802
04/21/06 09:58 AM
04/21/06 09:58 AM
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Aaron,

In the condition you're in, I'm not sure if continuing chelation is the best thing to do. I would think it's more important to get the symptoms under control first.

I understand about the finances. I would just like to see some detox occur without chelation because it may help you feel better.

Just a thought. Let us know how it goes.

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Would hypothyroidism cause weight gain?


Yes, absolutely!

You could try increasing your T3 with something like this:

Thyroid Support


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Re: weight gain #5803
04/24/06 10:15 AM
04/24/06 10:15 AM
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You may be right. The DMSA may be too much for me. My intense suicidal thoughts have been reduced to moderate suicidal thoughts but I'm still in bad shape.

I like my doctor and I think that he's honest but he seems to have little knowledge of detoxifying without synthetic chelating agents.



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Aaron,

In the condition you're in, I'm not sure if continuing chelation is the best thing to do. I would think it's more important to get the symptoms under control first.

I understand about the finances. I would just like to see some detox occur without chelation because it may help you feel better.

Just a thought. Let us know how it goes.

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Would hypothyroidism cause weight gain?

Yes, absolutely!

You could try increasing your T3 with something like this:

Thyroid Support

more symptoms #5804
04/25/06 10:30 AM
04/25/06 10:30 AM
A
Anonymous OP
Unregistered

I have to get up frequently during the night to urinate and my mouth always seems to be dry. I keep a bottle of water by my sink and by my bed because my mouth gets so dry. Are those symptoms of mercury poisoning? I think that some of you have experienced the same symptoms.

Re: more symptoms #5805
04/25/06 03:36 PM
04/25/06 03:36 PM
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Aaron

I know it's more money, but I strongly recommend that you read Andy Cutler's 'Amalgam Illness' book. You will find yourself in there. Mercury attacks the endocrine system, specifically the thyroid and adrenals. If you are low in either of these,you will be horribly depressed and have suicidal tendencies. You will find many of your other symptoms in there, and there is a biological reason for them. You are poisoned!! If you have had your amalgams out, you can also learn about Andy's low dose chelation protocol with DMSA and ALA, which is acknowledged to be one of the safest ways of detoxing, and probably better than taking high doses of DMSA every other day. I found myself in this book - I have a textbook case of mercury poisoning - I am hypothyroid, hypoadrenal and hypoglycemic, practically housebound, and miserable. There have been days when I wanted to die, and if it wasn't for my children I might have been tempted. But there are ways of treating these symptoms and lifting you up and out of the depression. I am now taking adrenal support and Armour, and feel brighter mentally and more hopeful. It will be a long climb though. I am 40 in a few months - it is a sobering place to be in the middle of your life. Get the book, inform yourself, get yourself treated and fight back.

I wish us both good luck and better health in the future.

Nicola

Re: more symptoms #5806
04/25/06 06:41 PM
04/25/06 06:41 PM
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I might read his book. I have done a great deal of research on the internet regarding mercury poisoning and detoxification and the one thing that I've found out is that you have to find a program that works for you because every individual is different.

I've already had 17 DMPS infusions and I have been on oral DMSA for a little while. I'm also using algin and vitamin C and vitamin E with selenium so I am using synthetic and natural chelators.

Frankly, I'm ready to hang it up now. I want to die. Laura and Russ gave me some great encouragement (see above) and they are almost as old as I am. Yes, it is sobering to be at this point in my life and to be this sick at the same time.

Russ, did you feel that God had abandoned you before you got your amalgams out? That's how I feel and without God I have no reason to go on living.




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Aaron

I know it's more money, but I strongly recommend that you read Andy Cutler's 'Amalgam Illness' book. You will find yourself in there. Mercury attacks the endocrine system, specifically the thyroid and adrenals. If you are low in either of these,you will be horribly depressed and have suicidal tendencies. You will find many of your other symptoms in there, and there is a biological reason for them. You are poisoned!! If you have had your amalgams out, you can also learn about Andy's low dose chelation protocol with DMSA and ALA, which is acknowledged to be one of the safest ways of detoxing, and probably better than taking high doses of DMSA every other day. I found myself in this book - I have a textbook case of mercury poisoning - I am hypothyroid, hypoadrenal and hypoglycemic, practically housebound, and miserable. There have been days when I wanted to die, and if it wasn't for my children I might have been tempted. But there are ways of treating these symptoms and lifting you up and out of the depression. I am now taking adrenal support and Armour, and feel brighter mentally and more hopeful. It will be a long climb though. I am 40 in a few months - it is a sobering place to be in the middle of your life. Get the book, inform yourself, get yourself treated and fight back.

I wish us both good luck and better health in the future.

Nicola

Re: DMSA #5807
04/26/06 09:22 AM
04/26/06 09:22 AM
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PUTTING TOXINS INTO YOUR BODY ONLY KILLS YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /><img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

[color:"red"] [/color] Hi Aaron,

If your short of money, the clay bathes that I already discribed is about $7. a bath. This is alot less expensive than the DMPS chelation. Aaron, please scroll up alittle on this page to read my long letter from Scarlet saying Attention everyone!

Also I wanted to tell you that I heard horror stories from people who got bone surgery of all kinds and were even in more pain from it. I suggest that you get at a healthy weight by eating whole natural foods and exercise. Walking is an excellent form of exercise. Its good for you and yet it isn't too stranuous. Exercise produces endorphines which makes you feel more happy.

Also pharmaceutical drugs are not really healthy. Most have negative side effects and they also tear down the immune system.

The Lord designed our bodies to be able to heal itself. He also provided whole natural foods to strengthen our immune system in order to be able to fight off illness on its own, but when its overloaded with toxins it can no longer function properly to do this! Its mainly from the corruption of man that placed toxins every where causing people to get sick. Toxins and chemicals are everywhere; in products, our water, air, food, medications, and especially In most dental materials.

There are more suicides, and phycological problems today than ever before and most of them aren't our fault!!! Toxins and chemicals cause this!!! So don't blame yourself! Iv'e suffered with depression and suicide for 14 years because of mercury and other heavy metals in my mouth also. Iv'e heard many times that people who are on antidepressants get even more depressed along with the terrible side effects so I wouldn't go on them. St. Johns Wort, is a very affective anti depressant and yet its natural. Check to see if it goes with other things you may be taking because this doesn't go with prescription anti depressants, medications, and some other herbs.

I know you mentioned your short on money. I bet most of us are too afte some of our dentists have soaked us of almost every dime we had all to make us miserable and to ruin our lives too!!! I mentioned in my long letter that I'm not only suffered from mercury and other heavy metals, but also nerve damage. I had such excusiating pain and numbness that all I could do is drink liquids and purees.

Well guess what , I went to a very good acupuncturist who is also a naturalpathic doctor who relieved quite a bit of the pain and numbness just from one treatment!!! So far it feels alot better!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />He said it should take about 6 sessions before all the nerve damage is gone.

He explained the cause and effect of everything and how the Trigeminal nerve is the one that needs the acupuncture first since its the main nerve that branches off to the other nerves that are the Lingual and Inferior Aveolar nerves. I don't think your interested in nerve damage since you don't have it, but acupuncture may be able to help with depression too.

The central nervous system is where the spine is connected to the brain and heavy metals such as aluminum oxide found in porcelein crowns, and mercury found in amalgams both attack the tissues, organs, and the central nervous system, causeing Alzeimers, Parkinsons, MS, ADD, depression, and a whole lot of degenerative deseases!!! Since acupuncture works alot with the nervous system I believe it might help.

Each of these Acupuncture treatments are $45. which is a whole lot less if you were to get surgery or lots of medications. Even if all this were free and I had insurance, I would not take medications or get surgery especially if there are other natural safe alternatives. A doctor that sees the whole picture and works on the root of your problem, instead ofl only the symptoms is a true doctor.

Alot of medications make you feel good at first. But most of the time later on you get more things wrong with you, and you need a stronger dose or more different kinds of medications. Then when the medications don't work anymore, you usually need surgery and eventually die anyway because the root of the problem was never addressed! Iv'e seen this happen so many times before to people. This to me is quackery, and alot of it is going on now a days.

Iv'e been through some of this when I was in my early 20's and learned fast that I was probably not going to live to 22. Thats when I learned that the natural way is the way to go. Only in a true emergency where I need medical attention immediately is the only time I would go see a Western medicine doctor. Also it was good when I needed to have some tests, and a diagnosis so that I could buy certain natural suppliments for that particular disorder rather than pharmaceuticals.

As for feeling like God has forsaken you, yes I have feelt this way every time I suffered from what my dentists have done to me. Nothing made sense. In fact I'm still perplexed as to why I had to suffer for so many years from so many different things.

But since I'm still alive I believe its for a purpose. To make me much stronger in character and to help others with all that Iv'e learned through my sufferings to prevent them from also going through what I went through!!! Maybe I suffered so much because the Lord wants to prepare me to fight against this injustice that we all are enduring through certain corrupt dental practices!!!

Did you know that there really isn't any law that will protect the patient even if a particular dentist ruined all your teeth and your life!!! Did you know its harder than ever to find an Attorney that will take a dental mal practice case for a patient?

These dentist have got to stop!!! But they won't until you and I and everyone else on this forum stick togather and fight!!! We may not be able to change the laws in our life time but at least we had a part in changing it for the future!!!

I accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior 17 years ago and because of this I believe He wants me to tell people about him; that although we all are suffering so much, the Savior died for our sins so that through faith in what He has done for us there will be a better life up in Heaven where there is no more suffering!!!

God bless everyone ! Until next time, lets pray for eachother!!!

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Re: suicidal #5808
04/26/06 10:07 AM
04/26/06 10:07 AM
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DIRECTIONS ON HOW TO USE THE CLAY BATHS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Hi Anonymous,

Sorry it took me so long to answer.I haven't been on the internet for a few days. These bathes can be used as a foot bath or a full body bath. If your very toxic I suggest you only take a foot bath for only a 1/2 hour every 3 days.

For the Moorbath, you first spread a thin layer of clay all over your feet and wait about 20 minutes for it to dry. Then soak your feet in hot water for a 1/2 hour, or a little less or a little more. Keep adding hot water as it starts to cool off.

If you start to feel light headed or a littlle nausead it means your body has detoxed enough. You may also feel alittle musle twitching in the abdomin. This also means you have detoxed enough and that its time to get out and wash your feet.

For the LL"s magnetic clay bathes you mix about 2 cups of water with about a cup of clay with a wisk in a big bowl. Then dump it into the hot water before soaking your feet. If your taking a full bath you may need 1-2 cups of this clay. Also the water for this bath shouldn't be hotter than 110 degrees.

The Moorbath water can be more hot. You'l feel relaxed and with a clear mind and free from migraines, dizzyness, and nausea. At first,You may feel alittle light headed from the heavy metals coming out of your body, but it shouldn't be that bad. Just take some ginger tea for it and your vitamins and minerals.

The LL's magnetic clay bathes comes with written instructions so don't forget to read them thoroughly in case I missed something. Also I don't want to forget to tell you that if you have high blood pressure, don't use the Moorbath.

Please note that if you are feeling very toxic at the time of the bath, you may feel this way again for a while the next day, but the next days after that you should feel great!!! To avoid this its best not to wait until you are too toxic to take a bath. Good luck! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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Re: DMSA #5809
04/26/06 10:35 AM
04/26/06 10:35 AM
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Anonymous OP
Unregistered

Thanks for your advice and encouragement, Scarlet. Except for the information about the clay baths I know about all of this and I tend to agree with you about the reason that you (and I) are still alive.

I have read Kevin Trudeau's book "Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You To Know About" and it is a great book.

I have stopped taking DMSA for now and I will try to rebuild my strength. In about a month I'll take a DMPS challenge test to see how much mercury I excrete.

I did order Andy Cutler's book.



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<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> [color:"red"] [/color] Aaron, and Russ Tanner,
If your short of money, the clay bathes that I already discribed is about $7. a bath. This is alot less expensive than the DMPS chelation. Aaron, please scroll up alittle on this page to read my long letter from Scarlet saying Attention everyone! Also I wanted to tell you that I heard horror stories from people who got bone surgery of all kinds and were even in more pain from it. I suggest that you get at a healthy weight by eating whole natural foods and exercise. Walking is an excellent form of exercise. Its good for you and yet it isn't too stranuous. Exercise produces endorphines which makes you feel more happy. Also pharmicutical drugs are never healthy. They have side effects and they also tear down the immune system. The Lord designed our bodies to be able to heal itself. He also provided whole natural foods to strengthen our immune system in order to be able to fight off illness on its own, but when its overloaded with toxins it can no longer function properly to do this! Its the corruption of man kind that placed toxins every where causing people to get sick. Toxins and chemicals are everywhere; in products, our water, air, food, medications, and especially In our teeth. There are more suicides, and phycological problems today than ever before and most of them aren't our fault!!! Toxins and chemicals cause this!!! So don't blame yourself! Iv'e suffered with depression and suicide for 14 years because of mercury and other heavy metals in my mouth also. Iv'e heard many times that people who are on antidepressants get even more depressed along with the terrible side effects so I wouldn't go on them. St. Johns Wort, is a very affective anti depressant and yet its natural. Check to see if it goes with other things you may be taking because this doesn't go with prescription anti depressants, medications, and some other herbs. I know you mentioned your short on money. I bet most of us are by now after the dentists have soaked us of every dime we have all to make us miserable and too ruin our lives too!!! I mentioned in my long letter that I not only suffered from mercury and other heavy metals, but also nerve damage. I had such excusiating pain and numbness that all I could do is drink liquids and purees. Well guess what , I went to a very good acupuncturist who is also a naturalpathic doctor who relieved quite a bit of the pain and numbness just from one treatment!!! So far it feels alot better!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />He said it should take about 6 sessions before all the nerve damage is gone. He also gave me some natural herbs to detoxify my liver at the same time. He explained the cause and effect of everything and how the Trigeminal nerve is the one that needs the acupuncture first since its the main nerve that branches off to the other nerves that are the ones affected by Lingual and Inferior Aveolar nerve damage. I don't think your interested in nerve damage since you don't have it, but acupuncture may be able to help with depression. The central nervous system is where the spine is connected to the brain and heavy metals such as aluminum oxide found in porcelein crowns, and mercury found in amalgams both attack the tissues, organs, and the central nervous system, causeing Alzeimers, Parkinsons, MS, ADD, depression, and a whole lot of degenerative deseases!!! Since acupuncture works alot with the nervous system I believe it could help. Each of these Acupuncture treatments are $45. which is a whole lot less if you were to get surgery or lots of medications. Even if all this were free and I had insurance, I would not take medications or get surgery especially if there are other natural safe alternatives. A doctor that sees the whole picture and works on the root of your problem, instead ofl only the symptoms is a true doctor. Medications make you feel good at first but later on you get more things wrong with you and you need a stronger dose or more different kinds of medications. Then when the medications don't work at all anymore, you need surgery and eventually die anyway because the root of the problem was never addressed! Iv'e seen this happen so many times before to people. This to me is quackery, and alot of it is going on now a days. Iv'e been through this when I was in my early 20's and learned fast that I was probably not going to live to 22. Thats when I learned that the natural way is the way to go. Only in a true emergency where I need medical attention emmediately is the only time I would go see a Western medicine doctor.As for feeling like God has forsaken you, yes I have feelt this way every time I suffered from what the dentists have done to me. Nothing made sense. In fact I'm still perplexed as to why I had to suffer for so many years from so many different things. But since I'm still alive I believe its for a purpose. To make me much stronger in character and to help others with all that Iv'e learned through my sufferings to prevent them from also going through what I went through!!! Maybe I suffered so much because the Lord wants to prepare me to fight against this injustice that we all are enduring through corrupt dentistry!!! I'm a teacher(not an English teacher) and also an Independent film maker who wants to make a full length drama on how much I suffered along with many others who also suffered, through the corruption of dentistry! It will be very emotional and show the emotional damage as well as the physical damage of toxic dental materials, negligent dental work, and nerve damage. It will also be about how there is no law that will protect the patient even if the dentist ruined all your teeth and your life!!! I'll be explaining in more E-mails how dentists are getting away with almost everything and there isn't hardly a thing that a patient can do about it by law! Did you know its harder than ever to find a an Attorney that will take a dental mal practice case for a patient? These dentist have got to stop!!! But they won't until you and I and everyone else on this forum stick togather and fight!!! Protesting, petitioning the supreme court, getting the newspapers, magazines, media, talk show hosts,and networking with maybe Kevin Trudeau, who wrote," Natural cures they don't want you to know about", along with other famous people may get our voices heard!!! We may not be able to change the laws in our life time but at least we had a part in changing it for the future!!! I accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior 17 years ago and because of this I believe He wants me to tell people about him; that although we all are suffering so much, the Savior died for our sins so that through faith in what He has done for us there will be a better life up in Heaven where there is no more suffering!!! God bless everyone ! Until next time, lets pray for eachother!!!

Re: DMSA #5810
04/26/06 02:25 PM
04/26/06 02:25 PM
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After you read Cutler's book you may not want to take a DMPS challenge test. I took one once and got really sick from it and will never take one again.

There are other ways to test for mercury toxification, such as a hair test.

The bottomline is that I would not recommend the DMPS challenge test.

Re: DMSA #5811
04/28/06 05:54 AM
04/28/06 05:54 AM
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Aaron,

I'm glad you read my letter and I am reading Kevin Trudueas book too. I admire his boldness to go out and help people no matter what the cost is. He is a great roll model to me because I hope I can be just as bold fighting against the injustice of toxic dental materials.

I noticed though that not only I, but many other people are advising you not to continue the DMPS. When you detox too fast which the DMPS test does, It not only makes you sick, but also suicidal. A while ago I was detoxing too fast with a natural product that was obviously too strong and I had to stop it before I killed my self from depression. I knew it was from that because I never was that depressed before.

May I ask, why do you want to try the DMPS again after a month if it keeps making you depressed? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> I believe your depression will probably go away just from stopping the DMPS. I sure hope it does one way or another. I'm glad your going to stay away from it for a month. I believe this will make you feel better.

May God bless you and lets pray for eachother, everyone else, and ourselves.

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DMPS #5812
04/28/06 10:31 AM
04/28/06 10:31 AM
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Anonymous OP
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I asked my doctor about doing the challenge test with oral chelators but he said that he didn't think that the test would be accurate without taking a DMPS infusion. That's why I have to take one more infusion.


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Aaron,

I'm glad you read my letter and I am reading Kevin Trudueas book too. I admire his boldness to go out and help people no matter what the cost is. He is a great roll model to me because I hope I can be just as bold fighting against the injustice of corrupt dentistry. I noticed though that not only I but many other people are advising you not to continue the DMPS. When you detox too fast which the DMPS test does, It not only makes you sick, but also suicidal. A while ago I was detoxing too fast with a natural product that was oviously too strong and I had to stop it before I killed my self from depression. I knew it was from that because I never was that depressed before. May I ask, why do you want to try the DMPS again after a month if it keeps making you depressed? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> I believe your depression will probably go away just from stopping the DMPS. I sure hope it does one way or another. I'm glad your going to stay away from it for a month. I believe this will make you feel better. May God bless you and lets pray for eachother, everyone else, and ourselves.

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04/29/06 03:12 AM
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Aaron,

I'm glad to hear its just one more DMPS. I'll pray it goes will with you this time. God bless you!

Cutler protocol #5814
05/04/06 10:05 AM
05/04/06 10:05 AM
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Anonymous OP
Unregistered

I have read a little bit of Andy Cutler's book and I like it. I'm going to see my doctor today and tell him that I want to try the Cutler protocol to detoxify my body.

Re: Cutler protocol #5815
05/04/06 02:56 PM
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Aaron

I'm really glad you got the book. It will help you understand what mercury does to the body, and why you feel so bad. It will be a long haul, but keep reading and get well!

Nicola

Re: Cutler protocol #5816
05/04/06 06:07 PM
05/04/06 06:07 PM
Russ  Online Content

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Aaron,

Glad you like the book. It's the best of it's kind that I've yet to find which is why I carry it on our product line. (I really didn't mean for that to rhyme). <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

For those interested, it's available here:
Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment by Andrew Cutler


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Re: Cutler protocol #5817
05/04/06 09:18 PM
05/04/06 09:18 PM
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Anonymous OP
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My doctor was very open to the idea. I'll try some DMSA and ALA for a few days and then maybe take a week off. It all depends on what I can tolerate.


Re: Cutler protocol #5818
05/04/06 09:56 PM
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About Dr. Cutler's book ...

I have his book; and to tell you the truth I didnt like it much. I also have "It's all in yoru head' book and although its rudementary and it dosnt have much of a clincal aspect to it; it gives you a good read and some helpful insights.

I have learned much more from either of those books by reading the forums here/curezone/yahoo chelation and autism.

But to refute my previous statement ... if I really felt like I had mercury poisoning I would probably buy Dr. Cutler's book anyways; there are not alot of books on the subject and this gives alot of technical information.

my 2 cents worth

Re: Cutler protocol #5819
05/06/06 05:49 AM
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INFORMATIVE BOOKS TO READ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I've heard these books are good: A mouth full of poison, by Myron Wentz, Root canal cover up, By George E. Meining DDS, The Toxic time bomb, by Sam ziff, Tooth truth, by Frank J. Jerome DDS, Its all in your head, by Hal Huggins, Death by prescription, by Ray D. Strand MD, Natural cures they don't want you to know about, by kevin Trudeau, Prescription for nutritional healing, by Phylss and James Balch MD, and also videos by Dr. Lorraine day; Cancer doesn't scare me anymore, and You can't improve on God. I have these videos and there excellent. Also I've read parts of Root canal cover up, and parts of A mouth full of poison, Natural cures they don't want you to know about, and Prescription for nutritional healing, which I thought were great and informative books.

e you read any of my other letters telling some of my story as to how 3 different negligent dentists have affected my life? I not only suffered from mercury and heavy metal poisoning, but also from negligence of 10 unsealed fillings that caused bone loss. I also suffered from toxic white composites and excuciatingly painful Lingual and inferior aveolar nerve damage all from these 3 different dentists.

I want to tell all that I learned from my experiences and the information I've found in more detail, so that the information is available to everyone. How can I do this instead of having to type the same information over and over again in different places. Can you explain how I can do this?

God bless you and thank you for this forum!

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Become A Writer #5820
05/07/06 07:43 AM
05/07/06 07:43 AM
Russ  Online Content

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Scarlet,

Thanks for the suggestions.

Our company is currently working on an ambitious software project that will enable the secure mass-distribution of print media and eventually audio and video media and we will be approaching publishers about distributing books and materials on this important subject. I'll take a look at your suggestions. Some I've already seen/read.

About sharing the information you've gathered...

I'd love for you to do that. There are two ways we can do this.

(1) I'll make you a writer at our MercuryTalk.com media system (called a wiki) and, if you like, our ToxicPedia.com wiki and you'll be able to write articles for everyone to see to your hearts content.

(2) If you want to submit your story to me, I'd be happy to put it in our story depot at our Yahoo group, MSN group, and on our other various websites on this subject.

Let me know if you would like to take me up on either of these offers.

Here is a direct like to the wiki media system on MercuryTalk.com:

http://mercurytalk.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Index

I'd love to make this the largest articel depot on the web for this type of information.

Thanks.


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Re: Become A Writer #5821
05/08/06 04:11 AM
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Hi Russ,

What your doing on this forum is wonderful!! I'm interested in the Mercurytalk.com and the ToxicPedia.com wiki's and presenting my story on Yahoo, MSN, and other web sites.

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Re: Become A Writer #5822
05/08/06 06:00 AM
05/08/06 06:00 AM
Russ  Online Content

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Hi Scarlet,

Thank you for the kind words.

I generally put the information on the wikis little by little as I have time. If you want to contribute, you can do it the same way and edit them as you like.

Cool that you're a film-maker. I worked in theater for about 11 years as TD of a theater doing lighting and sound, worked performing in a band for years and doing sound as well, and I now have a small studio in my house with mac-based pro-tools, adats, digital performer, couple keyboards, etc. I want to write music to raise awareness about this and I also play with video a little using Pinnacle on my PC. Video is fun!

You're doing a great job contributing to this forum and I'll coach you with the wikis as much as you need.

I put a page here that will help:

http://mercurytalk.com/wiki/index.php/How_To_Use_A_Wiki

Go ahead and create an account on the wiki and I'll give you system permissions to author articles. You can create an account in the toxicpedia wiki as well if you want.

Thanks!


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Re: Become A Writer #5823
05/13/06 03:38 AM
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Hi Russ,

Its great to know that you are in the arts.


What is your opinion on this:

1. Petitioning the supreme court.

2. Having a peaceful protest or demonstration.

3. Getting this out into the media somehow, like the news, newspapers, and magizines, and talk shows like Opra Winfrey, Ricky Lake, or maybe Montel Williams.

4. Networking with famous people who are also fighting for a good cause,for example Kevin Trudeau, That wrote ,Natural cures they don't want you to know about.


Not only some dentists, but many people in these departments are at fault, like the ADA, Dental labs, the Courts, and the Government. I believe their incohoots with eachother to make us sick so they can get rich!!!! It tears me apart to hear of all this suffering and yet none of us can do anything about it legally! Its extremely difficult to find an attorney that will take your case even if you have lost all your teeth!!! Can you believe it?

My main question is,what can we do to at least make our voices heard? What can we do in different ways to get the government finally sick of hearing our plea's so that it will finally do something about this!!!?? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

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05/13/06 03:52 AM
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Russ,

I just typed you a really important long letter and it didn't go through. I wonder what happened! . <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

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Re: Become A Writer #5826
05/13/06 12:56 PM
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Anonymous OP
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Scarlet, internet bulleting boards are a little bit fickle and messages can get lost. You could use Microsoft Word to write you letter and then copy and paste it in here. That way it wouldn't be lost if it isn't posted.


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Hi Russ,

I just typed you a very long important letter and it didn't go through. I'll try again at a later date since I'm too upset to go through all that again. I wonder what happened!!! My head is spinning! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

confused #5827
05/15/06 12:10 AM
05/15/06 12:10 AM
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Anonymous OP
Unregistered

I haven't taken a DMPS infusion for more than a month and I was on the Cutler protocol for a few days but I've stopped all chelation to try to get my blood mercury levels down.

The good thing about reading Cutler's book is that it finally convinced me that I am probably suffering from chronic mercury poisoning. However, in my case I think that most of the mercury came from thimerosal in allergy shots.

Although the effects of the DMPS infusions were harsh they probably wouldn't have had much of an effect on me if I didn't have a toxic level of mercury in my body.

Now I'm trying to figure out what to do and it is confusing. I need to know what my urine mercury level is to decide what part of the Cutler protocol to use. My doctor is only familiar with the (IV) DMPS challenge test and I don't know if I should take another infusion.

Re: Become A Writer #5828
05/15/06 08:46 PM
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Hi Aaron,

Thank you for the advise to first type my letter on microsoft word.

I read your e-mail that your not sure what you should do as far as detoxing goes. Well I'm sure you know by now what I'm going to suggest. Of course, the clay bathes! And no, I don;t sell them either. You must be a doctor or therapist to sell them. What ever you decide though I wish the best for you!

God bless you!

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sick #5829
05/18/06 08:55 PM
05/18/06 08:55 PM
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Anonymous OP
Unregistered

I stopped all chelation but I'm still one sick puppy. I feel like I'm dying and I wish that I would die.

Yesterday a friend that suffers from depression called me and he told me that his mood had gotten significantly better after he stopped drinking coffee and did some other things. I decided that it was time for me to stop drinking coffee so I skipped it today and by noon I felt even worse than I usually do so I used some sick leave and went home. I know that caffeine withdrawal may be partially responsible for the way that I feel now but I hope that in the long run this will improve my mood.

Has anyone else here stopped drinking coffee and if so how has that affected you?

Re: chelation therapy #5830
05/19/06 04:01 AM
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Hey TGoss,

I'm sorry that I couldn't read your post. My brain needs a lot of space in order to see all the words and your post was mostly just one paragraph and I just wasn't able to read it.

Can I ask if it would okay for you to put more paragraphs in your writing, and an old fog brain like myself can try to keep up with your writing. Thanks.

Re: chelation therapy #5831
05/19/06 04:34 AM
05/19/06 04:34 AM
Russ  Online Content

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I just edited Scarlet's post to make it more readable. Hope this helps.

Scarlet, Here are some answers to your questions...

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1. Petitioning the supreme court.

2. Having a peaceful protest or demonstration.

3. Getting this out into the media somehow, like the news, newspapers, and magizines, and talk shows like Opra Winfrey, Ricky Lake, or maybe Montel Williams.

4. Networking with famous people who are also fighting for a good cause,for example Kevin Trudeau, That wrote ,Natural cures they don't want you to know about.

I believe they are all good ideas because they overcome the single most important problem, which is:

Outside of mainstream media coverage, many people don't take information seriously.

This is a shame because almost all of mainstream media is tightly controlled and I only wish more people realized how true this is. They are completely unaccountable and unfortunately, because mms receives so many adversiting dollars from pharmaceuticals and because pharmaceuticals profit from mercury exposure, mms will not undermine their cash flow by exposing this issue.

How to pharmaceuticals profit from mercury exposure?

Pharmaceutical companies make billions yearly from treating "diseases" that are actually side effects of mercury exposure. They realize this and therefore pour money into deceptive publicity campaigns and bad studies to promote the continued use of mercury everywhere, whether it be tattoos, coal-burning power plants, amalgam fillings, dentures, consumer products, or vaccines.

I say...

"Those proposing to be uninformed and forgetful while profiting from immoral activities are more likely brilliant and evil."


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05/19/06 11:56 PM
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Hi Aaron,

Its good your going to quit coffee, but you need to taper off slowly to avoid the caffiene withdrawl. I use to drink coffee and than I cut out only a 1/2 a cup every couple of days until I wasen't drinking any more. This way you wont get the headaches and you won't feel as tierd from cutting down on the caffiene.
Maybe you should try the herb St. Johns Wort for depression. It worked well for my depression. The only thing is you can't take it with prescription anti depressants. Also you can't take it with certain medications and certain natural herbs. "Prescription for nutritional healing" is a great book by James and Phylss Balch. This tells you what you can and can't take accordinally to each type of individual.

Good luck!

Re: chelation therapy #5833
05/20/06 01:46 AM
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Hi Russ,

Thank you for editing my post since my brain obviously isn't what it use to be thanks to heavy metal and mercury poisoning.

Yes I know about the corruption of most mainstream media how alot of commercials on most channels and especially CNN are about how wonderful your life would be if only you would take this drug!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> Most of the time they show a young healthy looking person on these commercials which I believe is so contrary to the truth!!! In reality that person would probably be in a wheel chair, with Alzeimers and all kinds of physical deseases and mental problems. They also would probably look sickly, overweight, old, bold, gaunt, and unattractive, as I do from being poisoned all my life!!!

Yes I know about how most pharmacutical companies are corrupt too!!! KEVIN TRUDEAU is great at explaining this in his book, "NATURAL CURES THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW ABOUT," WHAT AN EXCELLENT BOOK!!!

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I realize that if we fight our hardest, it may not do anything in such a corrupt world. Although the government may not do anything, at least more and more innocent people will know the truth, and be informed. Then if they choose not to believe us than at least we did what we could to help them. I know that you can only tell people , but you can't force them to do what is good for them. If we ever do make a difference, we may not see it in our life time, but at least we had a part in changing the future for generations ahead. We may not even be able to change as much as we wanted to, but maybe we can change one small thing which is better than nothing.

If I were going to die in the hands of a murderer, I'd rather die with a fight, rather than to just submit to it!!!


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Re: chelation therapy #5834
05/20/06 08:06 AM
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Russ  Online Content

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I'm a big believer in people getting together and fighting for what is right. After learning what I have researching law and working in the political arena, I learned that petitions and protests are fairly useless. Protests can be somewhat useful but the underlying idea is exposure. Exposure is what makes the mainstream media powerful.

In other words, whoever controls the flow of information (mainstream media), controls what people believe. Whoever controls what people believe controls politicians. Whoever controls politicians controls the government. Whoever controls the government, makes the laws. Whoever makes the laws, controls everything.

This is why the takeover of Iraq was accompanied by the quick installation of so-called free media that just happens to have the same views and level of control as the american media. This is why the msm is fighting back against all the evidence that elements within the federal gov't planned and executed all of the events of 9-11 by releasing movies and TV programs on the subject. It's just more propaganda.

The same thing has happened in America. The soviet takeover of the United States was not going to be won militarily, it was to be executed informationally, and it has been.

With media, you control public opinion, you control public focus, you decide who gets elected, who gets fired, and who gets appointed. This is the real world and this is how it really works. Hard for some to believe, I know, but anyone who I know who has ever studied these things out has come to exactly the same conclusion, and there is a growing number of them. People are finally wising up to the persistence and depth of evil people in high places.

90% of the mainstream media in the United States is controlled by the same people who control the Federal Reserve Bank; The largest financial fraud in history. They know what's important if you want power, contol what people believe by controlling the flow of information.

Anyway, if we want to make a difference independently, first, raise exposure about the issue. This is what we're doing here on this forum and on our websites and groups.


Here are some suggestions:

Form political groups that attend local government meetings and raise awareness by speaking there.

Give lectures at local colleges or schools.

Write a monthly email newsletter and let people subscribe for free. I can help anyone who want's to do this and I'll even let them use our Internet server. We have resources we're willing to share in these endevours, we just need people to participate. Don't ever forget one of my favorite sayings:

"Nobody made a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could do only a little." - Edmond Burke

Go ahead and do a little. If many did, it would be a lot.

Write letters to the editor for your local newspaper.

Start your own snail-mail newsletter.

Randomly mail out postcards to people in your community with your website address or short facts on them.

Attend local health meetings and speak up.

After exposure, laws have to be changed to stop pharmaceutical companies from controlling the outcomes of court cases.

Raise awareness and form groups to allow the prosecution of judges that misapply the law or supress valid evidence in court cases.

Remove financial awards for judges that win cases for the government (I'm not kidding).

Force congressmen to be paid the amount of the average wage for the area they represent.

Demand that congress and the senate completely stop their ridiculous, outrageous retirement plans.

Post anti-herb or forced-vaccination or forced-drug congressmen and senators on your website:

http://herballure.com/ubbthreads/sh...&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

Expose horrible laws to everyone you know:

http://herballure.com/ubbthreads/sh...&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

Demand that laws be passed by local governments that prohibit the use of directed energy weapons against citizens and that restore freedom of speech.

Demand that laws be passed that prohibit FDA commissioners from ever working for pharmaceutical companies or receiving benefits from them.

When you put up your website with links to all this wonderful information to help expose this bad stuff, go to a local sign company and have them put a $20 decal on the back window of your vehicle with your website address.

Remember that when you put links to these informative websites on your website, register your website with the major search engines. Most of these engines (especially Google) will increase the search ranking position of the websites you post links to based on the keywords you use to link to them. This is POWERFUL and again, I will help anyone who wants to support these efforts.

Call into a radio talk show and express your opinion.

Put a bumper sticker on your car.

Put a sign in your front yard with a web address or statement you want to make.

Start an internet radio talk show that airs at fixed times. You can do this today with a basic computer and an internet connection.

Start a blog and register your blog with the search engines.

Start a website hosting pictures of people who have been harmed by mercury toxicity. Again, I can help.

Talk to people at work about these issues. Talk intelligently and in a way that points the opinion as being from someone other than yourself. This usually gives you more credibility.

Post your opinions to many different online forums and put links to your website or to websites that express the opinions you want to expose.

Write a book or booklet. If you do a good job, perhaps I'll publish you. I'll at least help you self publish. It's really pretty easy. Then put up a website to sell it. Again, I can help.

Make up business cards with short facts about these things and post them on local bulletin boards or colleges.

Make yourself available to speak at an herb store or local book store.

Ask to be a guest on a small local radio station or an Internet radio station.

Put a "fact:" on you voice mail: "Did you know that mercury from vaccines causes autism? Leave a message for Bonnie after the tone."

Frequently visit online forums and rebut brainwashed individuals or sub-verts with concise, intelligent facts. Remember, lies left uncontested are generally accepted as truth.

Many couples are looking for something to do on the weekend evenings. Most single people are lonely. Have movie night at your house every so often and show Revealing Movies and have discussions afterward.

Write a song about these issues and put it as an MP3 on the Internet. Send it to small local stations and see if you can get it played. Again, I can help.

Write a poem about these issues and put it on the Internet, forums or groups.

Write intelligent articles and send them to me and allow me to post them on our groups , forums , and websites.

Make flash presentations that expose this information in entertaining and creative ways and allow me to publish them for you.

User whatever talant you have for the cause, whether it be quilting or gardening.

If you quilt, make quilts, sell them (again I would be happy to help with this) and contribute the money to a group that supports your cause. Let your customers know what they are supporting and it can help your sales.

If you garden, write gardening tips as articles and put them on a website and intersperse links to websites and articles that support your cause between the articles.

If you're a mechanic, put a business card on the seat of each car you fix with links or facts that support the cause.

If you're an athlete, get a shirt printed with a saying that supports the cause or has a link to an important website and wear it during runs.

If you're an artist, design clever, artisitc t-shirts that promote awareness about these things and allow us to sell them.

Learn how to use MRIC and put a signature on your sign-off that has a link your website (or this forum). Every time you log off, everyone in the chat room will see it.

Start or attend a local "awareness" group, such as a support group for autism and you will be surprised that few of them actually know that autism is connected with mercury and that there is a solution to get their children better.

If you find someone who has succeeded in overcoming their child's disease such as autism or ADD or ADHD, video tape them and send the tape to me. I'll edit it and put it on our streaming media server for world-side distribution. Video testimonials are POWERFUL and we could assemble hundreds of them and put them on a website for streaming. Our streaming media system alone is capable of serving over 10,000 people at a time. WE JUST NEED MEDIA TO STREAM.

Keep up on local legislation that could potentially interfere with getting good information out. For example, legislation was recently passed that allows Internet Service Providers, such as AOL or Road Runner to selectively THROTTLE websites at their own descretion. This means that, if Time Warner (one of the worst media propagandists in the world) does not like the information on this forum, they could simply prevent all of their customers reaching this website, or they could "throttle back" the bandwidth to the website to a rate that would make it too frustrating for most people to use and therefore hinder our cause. This is a horrible setback for freedom of information. It basically puts the Internet in the same delimma that the mainstream media is in.

The media distributors, like Time Warner, have complete control of what you get to see or buy. The are, in effect, the Walmart of media and you can bet they will look out for their own interests.

In this cause, our power is in numbers so our success depends on everyone doing some little thing. The results can be amazing. Even if you have a newletter with 5 subscribers, of 1000 people did this, even if they all just got together and distributed the identical newsletter, there would be 5000 people receiving it with little or no work from you. This is powerful, especially if we work in numbers.

Herb Allure is starting an Internet Radio station that will raise awareness about these issues. Did you know that you can legally place a small "micro-power" FM transmitter on or near your house and retransmit the broadcast to people within a mile or so of your house. If we has enough people doing this across the nation, we could really make some serious headway.

In fact, the exposure of this mercury issue is happening completely because people like you are participating in forums and talking to friends and family. Without the tool of the Internet, we'd still be on first base. Fortunately, we're now rounding second.

If you have other suggestions, post them here.

We have so much more power than most realize because we have the truth AND we are advocates for helping people while the pharmaceuticals are not, and the more people realize this, the more influence we have.

Keep up the good work.


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Re: chelation therapy #5835
05/20/06 01:38 PM
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Anonymous OP
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These ideas might seem a tad grandiose -- but .......

1. A "Million Mercury March" in D.C. -- ok, I know protests don't always accomplish much, but it's a way of increasing exposure and news coverage ... perhaps.

2. Wouldn't it be fabulous if a really good film maker would do a documentary or movie for the mainstream? Even if it were an independent film, they're getting plenty of exposure these days. Look at the exposure the documentary "Supersize Me," got -- Morgan Spurlock was successful in getting the ridiculously powerful McDonald's to completely eliminate their supersized meals.

And I understand a movie version of the book Fast Food Nation is in the works.

3. In the age of "gotcha" journalism concerning the internet predator issues that NBC is airing on their Dateline Show -- wouldn't it be fabulous if they'd do a similar long-term study and series of shows on Mercury issues? They might not be able to show people being caught red-handed, but there is plenty of blame to go around for the Mercury practices and cover-up that is being blanketed upon an unknowing and unsuspecting nation.

4. Hug a lawyer. I know they get a bad wrap and aren't terribly well thought of but, honestly, these are the folks that are ghost writing much of the pending regulations, legislation and talking points that are distributed to politicians, lobbyists, White House Administration and the media.

5. All you writers out there....... write, write and then write more! Keep journals, write stories, write articles. One of these days a fabulous book could be published on all this and it could be a bestseller and reach millions.

6. Here are a few links on the efforts to expose the mercury issue and some of the media folks who are behind it. The movement is gaining ground insofar as the link with autism. It would be equally as good to have the coverage expanded, informing people that the entire population is affected by mercury in the form of dental care, adult immunizations, environmental exposure, etc. For those of you who might wish to get involved in the form of phone calls or writing letters, there are plenty of folks covering this. I know Russ has tons of information on this as well!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/mercury-autism-and-the-c_b_3184.html

http://www.mothering.com/articles/growing_child/vaccines/thimerosal_autism.html

http://www.autismmedia.org/media11.html

7. My impression has been that our school systems (even higher educational institutions) seem to prefer to indoctrinate students rather than encourage and foster independent and critical thinking. Consequently, many people sadly don't believe something unless they've seen it endorsed in the mainstream. I've found myself laughing at times when people have seen something on t.v. and just because it's been aired they think it must be true. When people are saturated with news coverage, tv shows, movies, books, radio coverage, etc., they tend to adopt the messages that are being sent. They tout the party line... and whatever is the trendy or sexy thought of the day, whatever is politically correct even, that's what folks seem to be comfortable adopting. It really is astounding how insidious the prevailing thought trends can be.

I'm probably being a bit unfair and certainly overgeneralizing, but I would just like to see more people become independent and critical thinkers. If one is given the hard, cold facts on mercury and nothing else, there is no way I can imagine an independent thinker would draw any other conclusion than the fact that mercury is a poison.





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Hi Russ and Anonymous,

Thank you for taking so much time to write all that informative information!!! It has given me so many new ideas on how I can have a part in making a difference in peoples lives.

God bless you!!

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05/22/06 10:32 AM
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I haven't taken a DMPS infusion in more than a month and I stopped the oral DMSA and ALA a couple of weeks ago. Nevertheless, I am still having intense suicidal thoughts. I read in Andy Cutler's book that mercury in the blood has a half life of several weeks. Maybe the last infusion pushed a large amount of mercury into my bloodstream that is still there.

Does anyone have any suggestions?

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05/22/06 12:07 PM
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Hang in there Aaron. I know what you're going through. I get suicidal thoughts a lot. Not of actually killing myself, of just not wanting to live anymore. But I realised something lately that I do want to live, I just don't want to live like this. I hate being a prisoner of my mind so much and feeling so alone and lonely, and thinking it's not going to change because nothing in life ever seems to go right or anything good happen to me. But then I think of all the people in the world who have less hope or in worse situations, for whatever reason, and no chance of recovery. I try not to feel sad or sorry for myself, but some days I just feel so tired of fighting and being so alone. Seems like I have been fighting against something all my life. But we have to fight these feelings because there is no answer in giving up. It won't achieve anything and just hurt our families and friends who need us to fight, even if they don't believe we have anything to fight.

Re: suicidal #5839
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Aaron,

Please remember to keep a journal. See if you can find patterns associated with the way you're feeling. See if there is something you're eating or doing that mobilizes mercury.

Everything has a cause. Remove the cause and the effect will go away.


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Charlie Sheen and Denise Richards Divorce... Interesting. #5840
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Scarlet,

Thanks again for the kind words.

I agree with you, and yes I will fight for the truth. Unfortunately, it's hard to get dentists to agree that amalgam is bad for 2 reasons:

(1) If they admit it, they will have to admit that they are responsbile for ruining the lives of countless people. This would be a VERY expensive confession and a legal nightmare for them.

(2) If they admin it, they have to admit that there is a massive coverup about this subject in dentistry and in the media (which there is). This is hard for people—even Dentists—to accept, however, because they have a world view that makes this impossible. They've watched too many episodes of ER or Law and Order which are nothing more then thinly-veiled propaganda machines. They also spent a small fortune on an education that they don't want to admit has been partially a waste of time, or worse yet, has set them up for a never-ending train of legal nightmares. After all, the ADA has already made their legal position known on the amalgam issue:

"The American Dental Association (ADA) owes no legal duty of care to protect the public from allegedly dangerous products used by dentists. The ADA did not manufacture, design, supply or install the mercury-containing amalgams. The ADA does not control those who do. The ADA's only alleged involvement in the product was to provide information regarding its use. Dissemination of information relating to the practice of dentistry does not create a duty of care to protect the public from potential injury."

The Superior Court of the State of California
Case No. 718228, Demurrer (October 22, 1992)



When I started working in politics in the early 90s, I was stunned at the information I was exposed to. I also did NOT simply believe it. I actually spent time over a long period studying to see if the unbelievable things I was learning could possibly be true.

Well, much to my disappointment, they were true and are all verifiable in the U.S. code and from other readily-available sources. I really hope that the people of this country and the world will wake up soon.

I relalized years ago that there were certain things about me that were unlike most other people. For example, I strongly believe in justice so I don't start accusing people of doing wrong when I know nothing about a situation. It's vital to have all the facts first and then find out who's wrong and who's right.

For this reason, I'm so happy that when I worked with the party that I didn't do what so many people (perhaps most) would have done and left disgusted and never came back. Instead, I listened carefully, then studied to find out if these people were off their rockers or not.

These people talked about conspiracies in government and massive corruption. My difficulty in believing it came from the same reasoning that it does in most people:

"If all this stuff were true, I'd know it. The 'free media' would have reported it and if they covered anything up, everyone would know."

How incredibly nieve that thought is.

The media control is very tight and very well-coordinated. Also, there is NO accountability in media at all. I've seen TV shows lie about events and facts countless times and there are rarely-if-ever repercussions. The media is accountable to no one.

Politicians who fight the media end up losing the next election or resigning because of some scandal (often completely fabricated). People who fight the media often lost their jobs.

A good example of fighting the media is when Charlie Sheen said recently that 9-11 was an inside job. Sheen even appeared on the Republic Broadcasting Network stating that he believes that factions in the U.S. government carried out 9-11. If you study the evidence, he's 100% right. Yet, for the 2 weeks following, he was blasted in the media in his divorce with Denise Richards, which was, up to this point, relatively quiet. I saw the story on E! and they even attempted to explain why, after being quiet for so long, she suddenly decided to come out with all kinds of horrible information about Sheen.

On the popular daytime program called The View, Joy Behar was asked why she thought all of the information was coming out of Denise Richards about Sheen and she said,

"Wasn't He [Sheen] recently critical of the Bush administration?"

Obviously, she knows a thing-or-two about how things work in Hollywood.

Anyway, I wanted to ask you what the movies you have made are about.


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I totally agree with you, Russ. Even on 9/11/01and the day after I remember that it was odd that the government was able to figure out who was responsible for the attacks in less than 24 hours. I know that there are some very smart people in the US intelligence agencies but I don't think that they're psychic.

Instead of having an investigation to find out who staged the attacks Osama Bin Laden was immediately identified as the evil mastermind and Afghanistan was invaded the following month. In 2003 Iraq, a nation that posed no threat to us, was invaded and occupied.

The frustrating thing is that most Americans accept what the government says hook, line, and sinker or they just don't care one way or the other.

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Russ,

I watched some of the clips about Charlie Sheen and 9-11. Wow!!! I believe anything is possible with the government after what I have gone through all my life. If the government allows dangerous practices from some dentists and doctors, than any thing is possible!!! It was a blow to find out after all I've gone through, that it was caused by the Healthcare professionals that I was suppose to trust.

I know that some people on this forum give them the benefit of the doubt, but I don't most of the time. Some people should not be in the healthcare profession if they don't know what their doing. If perhaps in the past they didn't know that most dental materials were toxic, they should know by now. Most people who aren't dentists, doctors, or scientists could figure it out, so most dentists have no excuse for their ignorance. Lets say I would give them the benefit of the doubt that a particular dentist would finally come to his senses and realize that he was wrong. I feel that he/she should have a recall and replace all the toxic dental materials with safe ones at no expense. Although this is the right thing to do, and is required with most other services, dentists are not accountable like the rest of us are in our jobs or careers!!! Most of us are responsible for our mistakes or else we will get fired or sued. Not dentists!!! Yes your right that they don't want to admit it or they'l get themselves into alot of trouble!!!

The most sickening thing of all, is once you paid thousands of $$$ to have the toxic dental materials put in, you can't get them out unless you have more thousands to spend. The toxins are implanted in your head like a time bomb and there really isn't a thing you can do about it. They have sentenced you to die. Even if you have the healthiest life style, it still won't do any good. The toxins will always take over your body making you sick anyway, and eventually killing you at a very early age!! I've been fighting to stay alive my whole life. Believe me, I ate whole natural foods, and suppliments, and was very atheletic too!!!

Even though most Pharmaceutical drugs have negative side affects that tear down the immune system, causing desease eventually, its not as bad as toxic dental materials. Why? Because the doctor can't force you to keep taking them. You can just throw them in the trash if you want to, and make a trip to the nearest health food store!!! Unfortunately this is not the case with dentistry. You have to wear your toxic dental materials in your head for the rest of your short life whether you like it or not!!!

I can't help to think that alot of dentists are the most inhuman people on the face of the planet for this very reason!!! Many are fully aware of what they are doing and just keep on doing it. Therefore I believe this is like premeditated murder. This to me is worse than some murderers in jail. At least most criminals didn't torture thousands of people with desease, and rape them of all their life savings at the same time as shortening their lives as well.


On some other forums many dentists and doctors speak their mind, and can be quite rude!!! After I wrote some letters about how mercury amalgams and other toxic dental materials almost killed me, some more dentists or/and doctors ganged up on me making faults accusations, and insulting me. it seems like their trying real hard to get me off the forum. I believe though that when enough people read their letters and mine, they will soon see that these particular people don't seem to care about anyone but themselves. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> Some of these dentists, and Doctors are recommending pharmaceuticals drugs with terrible side affects, and invasive surgery that cost thousands and thousands of $$$. I noticed in most cases this makes nerve damage more painful and permanent. There are so many people suffering. Their numbness and pain was so bad, that alot of them feelt like committing suicide!!! Certain dentists and doctors hate it when all my suggestions are about natural suppliments, and acupuncture. These really work well for pain and most of the people who did these things got alot better!!! The 2 acupuncture treatments I had made my pain alot less and it was only $50. a treatment!!! No wonder why some of the Dentists and doctors are all mad at me. They won't be able to have alot of people come to them anymore!!!

I'm so glad you read all our letters, and respond to us on this forum, making sure there isn't any wolves in sheeps clothing here!!! It makes me feel like I always have a place to go where I feel safe and at home!!! Thank you, Russ!!!

I made 2 childrens movies. The 3rd one was about an outcast teenager suffering from being judged by her appearance, and persecuted for witnessing about Christ. I also have stacks of other Christian movie outlines and storyboards, just waiting to be made into more movies!!! One movie waiting to be made, is about a drug addict that will do anything to support her habit including prostitution, through out the movie it shows the progression of her getting convicted by the Holy Spirit, and finally she accepts Christ as her savior. I am so mad that my health would not allow me to do even 1/8 of the movies I wanted to make. Iv'e also made several documentaries. I'm also planning to make a drama about the physical and phycological affects of toxic dental materials, and nerve damage and how it affected my life as well as others.

I've excepted Christ as my Lord and Savior about 17 years ago and ever since then, the Lord gave me the gift of movie making. For each movie that I made, I had visions of different scenes for a period of several months. I would have to grab a piece of paper and pencil quickly to write the script, and camera angles I see in my mind before I would forget. Also at that moment, I had to draw the characters and the kind of expressions they had for each shot!!! When all the visions would stop, I would piece each scene in order like a puzzle. There would be no missing links, and the movie would make perfect sense. I can't wait to start making movies again!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Charlie Sheen and Denise Richards Divorce... Interesting. #5843
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Scarlet, I understand your anger at dentists and drs. After all, our lives have been all but ruined by their "treatments". Although we may recover to some extent, maybe even to a great extent, we have lost a LOT! However, I disagree that all the dentists/drs. are the malevolent creatures that you make them out to be. I am a Christian, and my former dentist is a Christian who worked on my large family for free because we are not well off. However, I feel he has been duped BIG TIME by the ADA. We can't forget that, at least in the case of dentists, they suffer the effects of the mercury also, as they work in it all week long. Every time they place a filling, or grind a filling, they are inhaling the toxic dust/fumes. How many of them would put their lives/health in such jeapardy by doing this if they really believed that this stuff was bad for them?
My former dentist is suffering the effects, I believe, with personality changes, and nerve problems in his arms. His wife and daughter are sick from autoimmune diseases (imagine the mercury dust he wears home on his clothing every day!) I feel that many of them (both drs. and dentists) have just placed their trust in organizations that cannot be trusted. As Russ stated in another thread, the ADA is now trying to cast all the blame on the dentists . It is the ADA and FDA who are responsible to do proper tests on the materials used. Unfortunately, blind trust is never a quality we should seek to incorporate into our lives. Many drs. and dentists have blind trust when it comes to their respective organizatons, just like I USED TO have for the medical field. NOT ANY MORE!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

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